Geronimo45
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That and foreign aid. In the Revolutionary War, see the French. In Afghanistan, see the US.
Gun Control and Civil Disobedience
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ConstitutionCowboy
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This Works Both Ways
It's also dangerous to be IN government when government is wrong.
There is such a thing as armed resistance. Not revolution, not an insurgency, but armed resistance. It's civil disobedience at its best.
Woody
Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. If that doesn't convince you to take a stand and protect your inalienable rights and freedoms, nothing will. If that doesn't convince you to maintain your personal sovereignty, you are already someone else's subject. If you don't secure your rights and freedoms to maintain your personal sovereignty now, it'll be too late to come to me for help when they come for you. I will already be dead because I had to stand alone.
It's also dangerous to be IN government when government is wrong.
There is such a thing as armed resistance. Not revolution, not an insurgency, but armed resistance. It's civil disobedience at its best.
Woody
Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. If that doesn't convince you to take a stand and protect your inalienable rights and freedoms, nothing will. If that doesn't convince you to maintain your personal sovereignty, you are already someone else's subject. If you don't secure your rights and freedoms to maintain your personal sovereignty now, it'll be too late to come to me for help when they come for you. I will already be dead because I had to stand alone.
bogie
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If it gets to the point where CWII appears to be inevitable, consider this...
Quit feeding the cities. Then the government will have more problems than a bunch of law-abiding gun owners.
Quit feeding the cities. Then the government will have more problems than a bunch of law-abiding gun owners.
KBintheSLC
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Hence my comments on how easy it would be to get foreign aid.
phoglund
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In my original question to Sonyhoppes I noted the original title of the thread was "Gun Control and Civil Disobedience". A definition is indeed necessary and hopefully will clarify the question for Sony
Civil Disobedience
n.
Refusal to obey civil laws in an effort to induce change in governmental policy or legislation, characterized by the use of passive resistance or other nonviolent means
Note the parts about "passive resistance" and "other nonviolent means".
Civil Disobedience
n.
Refusal to obey civil laws in an effort to induce change in governmental policy or legislation, characterized by the use of passive resistance or other nonviolent means
Note the parts about "passive resistance" and "other nonviolent means".
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"Sony you would be correct in not following an unlawful order. Every Tribunal I went to someone got the axe for acting, never vice versa. Firing on non-combatants will get you a quick tribunal and a lengthy term in Leavenworth"
I'm not so sure. Remember Kent State. What became of those NG guys who's life was being threatened by those violent co-ed's anyway? And that wasn't the first time in our country's history that unarmed civilians demonstrating against the government were fire upon by the military.
Civil disobedience does not include turning your city into a Kosavo or a Stalingrad. It means effecting a change in the political process through none violent means. I mean how many of us really want to fight a guerrilla war against fellow Americans in our own neighborhood. It would be horrific and when we finally put whats left of the country back together it will bear little semblance to what the founders had in mind. We best all hope that it never comes to that.
I'm not so sure. Remember Kent State. What became of those NG guys who's life was being threatened by those violent co-ed's anyway? And that wasn't the first time in our country's history that unarmed civilians demonstrating against the government were fire upon by the military.
Civil disobedience does not include turning your city into a Kosavo or a Stalingrad. It means effecting a change in the political process through none violent means. I mean how many of us really want to fight a guerrilla war against fellow Americans in our own neighborhood. It would be horrific and when we finally put whats left of the country back together it will bear little semblance to what the founders had in mind. We best all hope that it never comes to that.
Gun tech is OLD tech. As firearms tech advances, weapons that do not use a cartridge will be kept from civilian ownership. Eventually, we will have weapons that will be orders of magnitude less effective against the government than what we have now. That is, unless we fight politically.
Really, our only hope is a political solution. How many of us have written, emailed, or called our senators and congress-people demanding that they support gun rights? How many of us support a national organization that fights for the 2nd amendment? How many of us can enter into a conversation with gun control advocates and keep the discourse reasoned, intellectual, and dispassionate? WE are the vanguard of defending the bill of rights, we are in the right, but too often we sit around and complain that our rights are being stripped from us. The most powerful weapons we possess: political influence on our representatives and personal influence on our aquaintances. That is where our strength lies. We will not have to worry about losing our rights if more Americans believe in those rights. If we have to physically defend our homes and weapons from jack booted thugs, we have already lost much of what we should now be protecting.
Really, our only hope is a political solution. How many of us have written, emailed, or called our senators and congress-people demanding that they support gun rights? How many of us support a national organization that fights for the 2nd amendment? How many of us can enter into a conversation with gun control advocates and keep the discourse reasoned, intellectual, and dispassionate? WE are the vanguard of defending the bill of rights, we are in the right, but too often we sit around and complain that our rights are being stripped from us. The most powerful weapons we possess: political influence on our representatives and personal influence on our aquaintances. That is where our strength lies. We will not have to worry about losing our rights if more Americans believe in those rights. If we have to physically defend our homes and weapons from jack booted thugs, we have already lost much of what we should now be protecting.
bogie
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Guys, wars aren't won with weapons. They're won with supply chains...
And public relations.
When we convince them that it is better to be with us, than against us, we win. However, that's kinda hard to do with religious fanatics or hardcore ideologues, hence problems with war in Iraq and Vietnam.
I suspect that CWII would first see the "urban" army having massive problems with desertion. And supplies.
But voting's a lot easier than stopping a train.
And public relations.
When we convince them that it is better to be with us, than against us, we win. However, that's kinda hard to do with religious fanatics or hardcore ideologues, hence problems with war in Iraq and Vietnam.
I suspect that CWII would first see the "urban" army having massive problems with desertion. And supplies.
But voting's a lot easier than stopping a train.
I think most of not all military,NG and police would get involved in a combat situation with there bothers,fathers ,sons,kids and friends.This is not going to happen.What could work is ALL pro 2A city workers,QUITE. Police,garbage man,postal workers,street crews and all the others Quite and any not a city employee stop paying taxes.Get together and block major highways with a 100 cars,Stop trains,Block airports runways some how??screw up as much stuff as we could without using friearms.what would New York look like in a day or two when the garbage is not hauled away?? IF we could ALL come together,We would not be in this situation.
I think most of not all military,NG and police would get involved in a combat situation with there bothers,fathers ,sons,kids and friends.This is not going to happen.What could work is ALL pro 2A city workers,QUITE. Police,garbage man,postal workers,street crews and all the others Quite and any not a city employee stop paying taxes.Get together and block major highways with a 100 cars,Stop trains,Block airports runways some how??screw up as much stuff as we could without using friearms.what would New York look like in a day or two when the garbage is not hauled away?? IF we could ALL come together,We would not be in this situation.
I think most of not all military,NG and police would get involved in a combat situation with there bothers,fathers ,sons,kids and friends.This is not going to happen.What could work is ALL pro 2A city workers,QUITE. Police,garbage man,postal workers,street crews and all the others Quite and any not a city employee stop paying taxes.Get together and block major highways with a 100 cars,Stop trains,Block airports runways some how??screw up as much stuff as we could without using friearms.what would New York look like in a day or two when the garbage is not hauled away?? IF we could ALL come together,We would not be in this situation.
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