Gun control? How about gun elimination?

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Here's another enlightened columnist who wants on the NRA list...





Gun control? How about gun elimination?


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By G. Jefferson Price III
Perspective Editor
Originally published October 19, 2003



THANKS to New York Times columnist Bob Herbert for revealing to us that the National Rifle Association has an enemies list, though that's not what they call it.
A spokesman for the NRA told Herbert the list is compiled just so members will "know which organizations support the rights of law-abiding Americans to keep and bear arms, and which organizations didn't."

Herbert is on the list, but, darn it, I'm not. The Baltimore Sun is on the list, thank heavens. So is Sun cartoonist Mike Lane.

Gotta get on that list. Look at the company: Maya Angelou, the poet. Alec and William Baldwin, the actors. Tony Bennett, the singer. Beau Bridges, Christie Brinkley (Christie Brinkley! If I get on the list, can I party with these people?), Dr. Joyce Brothers. (OK, forget the party.) Mel Brooks, Julia Child, Sean Connery, Kevin Costner, Walter Cronkite. Billy Crystal, Doug Flutie, Ricki Lake, John McEnroe, Mary Tyler Moore (have they no shame?), Michelle Pfeiffer, Robert Redford, Jerry Seinfeld, the Temptations.

Former President Jimmy Carter is on the list. Bless him.


Grave matters

The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times and The Chicago Tribune are on the enemies list. So are most of the rest of the media moguls of America. Even Geraldo is on the list. I counted more than 40 journalists on the list, including at least one who is deceased: Herb Block, late of The Washington Post. These NRA people follow you to the grave. Even Ann Landers is on the list.

If people boycotted everyone on the list, they wouldn't read any respectable newspapers or see any good movies, and they'd miss most television programming.

The Kansas City Royals, the St. Louis Cardinals and the St. Louis Rams are on the list.

What do they eat? Sarah Lee and 7-Eleven are on the list. So is Hallmark.

There are more enemies listed, many more. But you get the point. A vast cross-section of talented, thoughtful Americans, many beautiful people and just plain all-American companies and organizations are on the NRA bad list. They should be proud, because the NRA is about a lot more than making sure "law-abiding Americans" get to "keep and bear arms."

The Second Amendment is the dubious source of the NRA's claim to protect American rights: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

I am not a constitutional expert. But the Second Amendment seems to me to be about as relevant to modern reality as the Book of Leviticus. It does not seem to me to anticipate that Americans shall have access to any kind of weapon they want, from a Saturday night special to automatic assault weapons designed to kill a lot of people quickly.


Unsafe keeping

I have friends who are hunters. They tend to be to the right of my politics, and some of them probably support the NRA because they can't stand the government interfering in anything, even collecting taxes, for that matter. But those men who go off around this time of year and huddle in a freezing blind waiting for some pathetic goose to fly into their sites are not the ones I'm worried about. I'm worried about people who have guns and don't keep them safely. Or the ones who don't plan to shoot animals with their guns, but other people.

The Second Amendment's reference to militias brings to mind an experience of about 20 years ago. I was in South Lebanon interviewing some Christian militiamen who were firing away at some Muslims down the road. They carried M-16s with likenesses of the Virgin Mary on the butts of their weapons. I asked one of the militiamen about his rifle.

He thrust the gun at me and said, "It's a good gun. Shoot it."

Twice, I demurred. But he insisted. So I took the rifle and fired into the air.

"No. No. No," he said. "Shoot at the people down there. The gun is for killing them."

I refused. But a lot of people were killed "down there" that day, and I never forgot the encounter with this militiaman who must have felt some perverse right to carry a gun and to kill people with it.

Now, in Iraq, America's appointed governors are supposed to come up with a good American-style constitution. Let's make sure they have a Second Amendment giving every Iraqi the right to bear arms. That's just what Iraq needs.


Nation dithers

Actually, I'm not for gun control. I'm for gun elimination. Guns don't kill people, the NRA tells us, people kill people. Take away their guns and killing would be a lot harder. I'm for taking away guns from anyone who can't prove a real need. That's more radical than most gun control advocates seem willing to state. But while this country has dithered on the issue - unlike most other civilized places - and politicians have been intimidated by the NRA, tens of thousands of innocent people have been killed, and for what? For the sake of preserving "the right to bear arms"? That's not good enough.

Now, can I get on that list? Please?



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Sure, why not put him on the list? He's dumb enough to equate the actions of a Lebanese militiaman in a war zone with the average American gun owner is good enough of a reason for me.
 
I absolutely love the way these columnists are making sure that they call it an "enemy list" at every possible opportunity. The implication of course being that NRA members are going to go around murdering people on the list. Disgusting.:barf:
 
I'm worried about people who have guns and don't keep them safely. Or the ones who don't plan to shoot animals with their guns, but other people.

That's it, they should revoke this man's license to speak. :rolleyes:
This quote by him is a very good reason why everyone should be armed. The people who own guns for shooting other people and actually act on those urges are usually governments.
 
Yellow Journalist?

Yellow journalism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Yellow journalism is a type of journalism where sensationalism triumphs over factual reporting. This may take such forms as the use of colorful adjectives, exaggeration, a careless lack of fact-checking for the sake of a quick "breaking news" story, or even deliberate falsification of entire incidents.

The sensationalized human-interest stories of the yellow press increased circulation and readership heavily throughout the 19th century, especially in the United States. Early practictioners, such as Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst, seem to have equated the sensational reporting of murders, gory accidents, and the like, with the need of the democratic common man to be entertained by subjects beyond dry politics. Two early yellow newspapers were Pulitzer's New York World and Hearst's New York Journal American.

The term derived from the color comic strip character The Yellow Kid, who appeared in both these papers.

Probably the most famous anecdotal example of yellow journalism is often repeated as having come from William Randolph Hearst, who in 1897 sent the illustrator Frederic Remington to Cuba to report on the Spanish-American War. Hearst is reputed to have told Davis, in a telegram, "You supply the pictures, and I'll supply the war."

Nuff said.

Adios
 
"The Second Amendment is the dubious source of the NRA's claim to protect American rights: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

"I am not a constitutional expert. But the Second Amendment seems to me to be about as relevant to modern reality as the Book of Leviticus. It does not seem to me to anticipate that Americans shall have access to any kind of weapon they want, from a Saturday night special to automatic assault weapons designed to kill a lot of people quickly."


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Another few steps along the road to CW2.

Matt
 
I'm worried about ... the ones who don't plan to shoot animals with their guns, but other people.

Well, I guess he's worried about me. Because that's why I have guns. I haven't been hiking in a while, and I haven't hunted for years. The only animal that could pose a threat to me is human.

But he insinuates far too much -- "the ones who... plan to shoot... other people."

Sorry buddy, but I don't wake up in the morning, stretch, and say, "I wonder who I can shoot today? Maybe the kids across the street? Or the old man around the corner. Hmmm." To paraphrase the Duke, I don't lay my hands on other people, and I expect the same from them. If you break that little unwritten agreement and try to harm me or someone I care about -- that's why I have a gun.

You want to eliminate my gun? Then why don't you come and get them. I'll be waiting for you. :fire: :cuss:

Wes :banghead:

P.S. What? You need the police and armed forces with guns to get mine? You need to use guns to take guns? I've got a word for you -- HYPOCRITE.
 
I am not a constitutional expert. But the Second Amendment seems to me to be about as relevant to modern reality as the Book of Leviticus. It does not seem to me to anticipate that Americans shall have access to any kind of weapon they want, from a Saturday night special to automatic assault weapons designed to kill a lot of people quickly.

So just because something is old automatically invalidates it? :scrutiny: :rolleyes:



I have friends who are hunters. They tend to be to the right of my politics, and some of them probably support the NRA because they can't stand the government interfering in anything, even collecting taxes, for that matter. But those men who go off around this time of year and huddle in a freezing blind waiting for some pathetic goose to fly into their sites are not the ones I'm worried about. I'm worried about people who have guns and don't keep them safely. Or the ones who don't plan to shoot animals with their guns, but other people.


Baaaaaaa!!! Mommie, I'm so scaaaaaared of those people with their GUNS!! :what:

Baaaaaaaaaaaa!


When and WHY did the saying "children are meant to be seen and not heard" go out of practice?
 
This "guy" sounds like the sniveling little type who would wet his pants upon the mere sight of a gun.
 
If people boycotted everyone on the list, they wouldn't read any respectable newspapers or see any good movies...
Your sense of quality is as warped as your comprehension of our rights.
A vast cross-section of talented, thoughtful Americans, many beautiful people and just plain all-American companies and organizations are on the NRA bad list.
Beautiful? Maybe. Thoughtful, talented, all-American? I can see an occasional one or two having some sort of talent. But thoughtful people don't have a problem with the basic concept of human rights protected by a Constitution, and all-American ones don't work to deny basic freedoms to their fellow countrymen.
I am not a constitutional expert.
:rolleyes:
But the Second Amendment seems to me to be about as relevant to modern reality as the Book of Leviticus.
Yeah... because government long ago became completely trust worthy; all traits of tyranny, ill-intentions, and lack of respect for fellow beings faded from human nature millennia ago; and there hasn't been a murder/rape/beating/etc in recent history. Nobody needs the ability to defend themselves or their loved ones, because the world is a big, fuzzy hug! Yay for perfect government run by perfect, loving humans!
...automatic assault weapons designed to kill a lot of people quickly.
Much like the rest of this lousy ‘article', the author shows a simply shocking lack of knowledge of the facts concerning the AWB. How in the hell does somebody like this find work as an editor?!
The Second Amendment's reference to militias brings to mind an experience of about 20 years ago. I was in South Lebanon interviewing some Christian militiamen who were firing away at some Muslims down the road.
You are comparing the desire of Americans to retain the tools of freedom to THIS? Street fighters in Lebanon killing each other over religion? What dimension do you live in where this is comparable to responsible, law-abiding Americans? Have you ever gotten confused on who was the good guy in a battle involving US soldiers because both sides had guns?
Now, in Iraq, America's appointed governors are supposed to come up with a good American-style constitution. Let's make sure they have a Second Amendment giving every Iraqi the right to bear arms. That's just what Iraq needs.
Yeah, that sounds good. Keep the people of a nation in a region prone to tyrannical governments disarmed, especially since they aren't exactly at the top of the heap when it comes to military superiority. :rolleyes:
Take away their guns and killing would be a lot harder.
And their knives, and their baseball bats, and their cars, and their matches, and their hands, and their feet, and...
 
Jerk "journalist"

Note to Idiot Journalist: how about the Olympic Games?....those javelins should be outlawed(could KILL someone with it), along with the shot-put(Ouch!). And high diving boards....someone could throw someone else off onto the concrete. I personally don't "hunt humans", but, if a nutcase breaks into my home, the LAW says I have the RIGHT to protect myself with lethal force.

Instead of worrying about people like US who have training and know safe gun handling, he should keep an eye over his shoulder for the criminals who kill for fun....they don't aquire their firearms through the LEGAL methods and go through background checks like us law-abiding folks do.
IGORANCE IS BLISS :what:
 
Is it not funny how somebody writing and expressing his opinion under the FIRST amendment has determined that your SECOND amendment is irrelevant!

We have Second Amendment "RIGHTS" not priveledges.

I wonder what this non-constitutional scholar fees about the Fourth amendment?
 
So I took the rifle and fired into the air.

:rolleyes:

Reckless discharge of a firearm. Good thing he didn't do that in America. He MIGHT have been arrested.

But then again I guess this moron thought that shooting into the air is safe. Too bad/Good thing he wasn't standing where they came down.

I wonder if this "article" was written with a quill pen on parchment?
 
Yeah, unfortunately I saw that in the paper today. Between that editorial, a similar op ed by one of the sydicated columnists they use and a letter to the editor calling for the end of the state of Israel (no surprise many readers would come to that conclusion with the way the paper protrays the Israelis as horrible aggressors and the Palestinians as poor innocent victims) are good illustrations as to why I don't buy this paper unless I am looking for a job or a used car (their Sunday classifieds are pretty much the only game in town). Unfortunately, my parents still pay them money (at least I was able to read this drivel myself earlier today without personally giving the Sun a penny).

Oh, that other op ed:


It's tempting to be on NRA enemy list

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By Leonard Pitts Jr.
Originally published October 19, 2003



WASHINGTON -- I am the world's leading expert in "temptology." As such, I know just about every trivial thing there is to know about Motown's storied singing group, The Temptations.
I know they recorded once as The Pirates. I know they were the first Motown act to win a Grammy. I know bass singer Melvin Franklin's nickname was Blue.

But the one thing I didn't know was how they wound up on an enemy's list posted by the National Rifle Association.

We have Bob Herbert to thank for alerting us to said list. The New York Times columnist recently disclosed the fact that, if you dig around the NRA's Web site (www.nra.org), you'll find a compilation of "anti-gun" journalists, officials, groups and celebrities -- an old-fashioned, honest-to-Nixon enemy's list.

Among the other names: Oprah Winfrey, Patrick Stewart, Bruce Springsteen, Spike Lee, Paul Newman, Michael Eisner, Lakers forward Rick Fox and singer Moon Zappa. Under the apparent theory that one doesn't stop being an enemy just because one stops breathing, the list also includes Ann Landers, former Atlanta Mayor Maynard Jackson and the cartoonist Herblock.

I'm sure this all raises for you the same searing question it raised for me:

Why didn't Leonard Pitts make the list!? I'm anti-gun, too! What, they hate Molly Ivins more than me?

Actually, my exclusion is probably my own fault. I don't write about guns that often. Worse, my opinion doesn't translate easily to a bumper sticker. If you've got a moment, I'll lay it out for you.

I believe the right to keep and bear arms is a fiction. Legal experts I respect have all held that the Second Amendment confers no right of individual gun ownership.

But -- and here's the tricky part -- I also believe the perception of such a right is so deeply ingrained in the American psyche that the legal niceties are largely immaterial.

As a practical matter, the right exists.

I'm reminded of the First Amendment attorney who told me that as a strictly legal issue, it can be argued that the Constitution grants you no right to read this newspaper.

Yes, freedom of speech allows the newspaper to print what it wants, but where is it written that you have a right to have access to it?

Nevertheless, the perception of such a right is so much a part of the American character that if government tried to deny it, newspaper readers would take to the streets in protest. It's the same with the gun owners except, of course, that they'd be better armed.

So I hate guns. But I also accept that they're not going anywhere.

The question is: What can we do within that reality?

Unfortunately, extremists on both sides of the issue have robbed us of the ability to do much. We are in dire need of mandatory registration and training to govern those who choose to own guns and sensible laws to prevent their use by those who have no business with them. At a minimum, we need to be able to discuss the issue rationally. But we'll never have that ability so long as gun control advocates tar responsible gun owners as "gun nuts" and cling to the fantasy that guns can be erased from these shores.

We'll also never have it so long as gun owners' interests are represented by an organization that sets new standards for crazy.

The NRA, by the way, says The Tempts earned their way onto its list by lending their name to an anti-gun newspaper ad in 1999.

Wow. The nerve.

Still, you'll forgive me if I don't run out to burn the rare, factory-sealed Temptations live album that cost me $60. And if I say that I see in this predilection for listing enemies a sweaty, shifty-eyed, hunker-in-the-bunker mentality that recalls Nixon at his worst.

In the face of such asininity, of paranoia beyond parody, I have just one thing to say to the NRA:

There are two "t's" in Pitts.


Leonard Pitts Jr. is a columnist for the Miami Herald and appears Sundays in The Sun.



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Okey doke. lets get started here...(cracks nuckles)...

Patrick Stewart
Ok I have to find out what he did. As a rabid X-Men fan and frothing-at-the-mouth-rabid fan of Star Trek, I enjoy most of his work and must say that he is quite the actor.
I believe the right to keep and bear arms is a fiction. Legal experts I respect have all held that the Second Amendment confers no right of individual gun ownership.
You are also a moron who respects morons. What will you do now?! (Go to Disneyworld?):rolleyes: If Jim Bob from Redneck Law Center in BFE says that the 2nd amendment is bunk, do you respect him even if his degree and the accreditation came out of a Cracker Jack box?:rolleyes: :fire: :scrutiny:
We are in dire need of mandatory registration and training to govern those who choose to own guns
No we dont and those who own responsibly seek out training on their own. The responsible ones are the ones you dont hear about except in hunting mags.
and sensible laws to prevent their use by those who have no business with them.
We already have them. Try educating yourself before you spout your mindless liberal blissninny drivel.
But we'll never have that ability so long as gun control advocates tar responsible gun owners as "gun nuts" and cling to the fantasy that guns can be erased from these shores.
Whoa there! Dont overburden that last neuron with all that logic and common sense! Be nice to the little guy and take baby steps. One step at a time. (At least he sees the broad strokes the anti's are using with their brush.)
There are two "t's" in Pitts.
:rolleyes:

Lets see if we have that spelling correct:
First Name: L-I-B-E-R-A-L
Middle Name: B-L-I-S-S-N-I-N-N-Y
Last Name: N-O-B-O-D-Y.

Is that correct?:neener: :D :cool:
 
I wonder if either of these two geniuses have pondered how long they'd be allowed to publicly voice unpopular opinions, a First Amendment Right, if the Second Amendment was void.

The reason we still have rights is due to the Second Amendment.
 
Actually, I'm not for gun control. I'm for gun elimination. Guns don't kill people, the NRA tells us, people kill people. Take away their guns and killing would be a lot harder. I'm for taking away guns from anyone who can't prove a real need.

Actually, I'm not for censorship, I'm for media elimination. The news media doesn't lie, the NY Times tell us, nothing but the facts. Take away their printing press and lying would be a lot harder. I'm for taking away the printing press of anyone who can't seperate fact from politically correct opinion / fiction.

Wait a minute, you can't do that, it goes against the portions of the constitution that I BELIEVE in... Only the parts of the constitution that I disagree with may be trampled upon.... <blah>

Not only is this guy full of crap, but he's a terrible writer. He actually get's paid to write?

Leo
 
FOOL!

have friends who are hunters. They tend to be to the right of my politics, and some of them probably support the NRA because they can't stand the government interfering in anything, even collecting taxes, for that matter. But those men who go off around this time of year and huddle in a freezing blind waiting for some pathetic goose to fly into their sites are not the ones I'm worried about.

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