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Gun foes picket NRA convention
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04109/302610.stm

Convention delegates calmly dismiss objections by small, vocal group

Sunday, April 18, 2004
By Bill Schackner and Amy McConnell, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Tom Mauser, whose son was killed in the Columbine High School massacre, donned the tennis shoes that Daniel wore as he was shot and marched them yesterday into the heart of the nation's gun lobby.

After a news conference Downtown in which he and other speakers decried gun violence and urged extension of the federal ban on assault weapons, Mauser led several other activists on a four-block walk to the David L. Lawrence Convention Center.

There, Mauser entered but was turned away from the National Rifle Association's annual convention.

Along with the gray and blue tennis shoes returned to him by Colorado authorities a few weeks back, Mauser, 52, a Finleyville native, carried a placard with his 15-year-old son's picture and a letter Mauser sent to Charlton Heston and the NRA a few weeks after his son's 1999 death. The letter, which Mauser said was never answered, urged among other things that the NRA "quit protecting the dark side of the gun trade."

"Yes, I'm a bit angry, but who wouldn't be," the letter stated. "Have you ever lost a child, Mr. Heston?"

On the sidewalk approaching the hall, Mauser encountered skeptical looks and sarcasm from some convention-goers who say those protesting assault weapons unfairly link the NRA to violence. Shortly after entering the convention hall, security personnel told Mauser he lacked a protest permit. They quickly ushered him back outside.

LaRae Lorsung, an NRA member from Callaway, Minn., looked annoyed as Mauser and the other marchers passed her with half a dozen TV cameras surrounding them.

"I think they ought to go home," she said of the protesters. "I feel bad for those people, but it isn't the guns or the gun makers. It's the criminals."

"Cars kill people. They're not trying to ban cars," she said. "Knives kill people. They're not trying to ban knives."

The noon news conference was sponsored by a coalition of groups favoring the assault weapons ban. It is due to expire Sept. 13 unless extended by Congress, and some of the speakers urged Vice President Dick Cheney to use last night's speech to the NRA to commit to an extension.

One speaker, Dr. Barbara Gaines, trauma surgeon and co-director of the Benedum trauma program at Children's Hospital, said on average 10 or so children die of gunshot wounds daily in the U.S. Sometimes it's an accidental discharge, or a child hit unintentionally, or a teenager who uses a gun to escape depression.

"The key to protecting our kids is to protect them from guns, protect them from access to guns and from gun availability, so that kids aren't in the way of gunfire," she said.

Pittsburgh Police Cmdr. William Valenta said one in five law enforcement officers killed between 1998 and 2001 was felled by an assault weapon. "We recognize how important it is in the law enforcement community to support an extension of the ban on assault-type weapons," he said.

State Rep. Dan Frankel, D-Squirrel Hill, said the ban needs to be not only reauthorized but strengthened. And he said it should be made a central issue in both in the Pennsylvania Senate race and the race for president.

Unable to enter the building, about 100 protesters against the NRA took up position just outside the convention center yesterday afternoon after marching from the Hill District and from across the Allegheny River. The "Confluence Against Gun Violence," like the noon news conference, was organized by an ad-hoc coalition of local social justice and violence prevention groups.

Four police officers on motorcycles stopped traffic at every intersection as about 50 protestors marched from Freedom Corner in the Hill District to the convention center, shouting, "Bush, Cheney, NRA. Take your guns and go away."

Owning guns might be a constitutional right, but its framers couldn't have intended to allow the kind of violent society the gun industry has helped create, according to Celeste Taylor, an executive committee member of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

"It isn't about freedom," said Taylor, of Point Breeze. "It's about who has the most money, and who has the most power to influence public policy."

Toni McClendon, 55, said she was troubled by the double standard she feels society applies to some gun owners. The Black Panthers were prosecuted for using firearms to defend themselves and their families from the police, she said.

"It's like, 'You're being violent and terrorist because you belong to a certain segment of society, but we're protecting our homes,' " said McClendon, of Swissvale.

The NRA, in fact, seems intent on whipping up its members' fears in an attempt to justify owning guns as a means of self-defense, said Jason Vrabel, 30, of Friendship.

"The NRA perpetuates these beliefs that there's an intruder behind every tree and has been obstructionist to any attempts to make reasonable changes to existing laws," said Vrabel, who was wearing a red bull's-eye paper-clipped to the front of his T-shirt to demonstrate that "the NRA's positions make us all targets of gun violence."

But should crooks and the police be the only people to own guns? asked John Lesko of Youngstown, Ohio, as he left the convention center and stiffly walked past the protestors. Didn't he have the right to protect himself and his family from intruders?

Guns are not dangerous if the people who own them are responsible, he said.

"If you respect it and treat it respectfully and teach your children how to respect it, you won't have a problem," Lesko said of firearms. "That's how I was raised and that's how I plan to raise my son."

(Bill Schackner can be reached at [email protected] or 412-263-1977. Amy McConnell can be reached at [email protected] or 412-263-1548.)
 
Let's see......60,000 members in attendance from all over the US. 100 protestors from all over Pittsburgh.......

Let's figure out where the clear majority is:rolleyes:

No differently written than the article about the MD AWB hearings. 200 pro-gunners show up vs. 20 antis and who gets the most press?:fire:
 
Dr. Barbara Gaines, trauma surgeon and co-director of the Benedum trauma program at Children's Hospital, said on average 10 or so children die of gunshot wounds daily in the U.S.

More junk statistics - why are these numbers printed and never challenged?

So we loose 3650 kids per year to guns?

Sounds wrong even if they count suicides and gang violence.

Now not counting suicides and gang violence the number has got to be wrong.
 
One speaker, Dr. Barbara Gaines, trauma surgeon and co-director of the Benedum trauma program at Children's Hospital, said on average 10 or so children die of gunshot wounds daily in the U.S. Sometimes it's an accidental discharge, or a child hit unintentionally, or a teenager who uses a gun to escape depression.

"The key to protecting our kids is to protect them from guns, protect them from access to guns and from gun availability, so that kids aren't in the way of gunfire," she said.
3,650 children die a year from gun shots in the USA? Pardon if I'm a bit skeptical. :rolleyes: As for the last part, it's amazing that a doctor can be so dense. "The best way to defend your children is to shelter them from the knowledge of gun responsibility, and to give firearms a 'forbidden fruit' appeal!" :barf: Luckily a fellow gun owner set her straight without even knowing it...
"If you respect it and treat it respectfully and teach your children how to respect it, you won't have a problem," Lesko said of firearms. "That's how I was raised and that's how I plan to raise my son."
...Mauser and the other marchers passed her with half a dozen TV cameras surrounding them.
Wish we could get a few people together at some gun control meeting, and get half a dozen news cameras surrounding us, begging for our attention, with multiple news articles written up about our little protest. :mad:
Pittsburgh Police Cmdr. William Valenta said one in five law enforcement officers killed between 1998 and 2001 was felled by an assault weapon.
No way to put it nicely: Police Cmdr. William Valenta is a liar.
 
actually assault weapons is so vague I´m suprised it wasn´t much higher. any sks, tec-whatever, .... forget what i was going to say.

atek3
 
they get the 1 in 5 figure by counting any gun which can accept a magazine with higher than 10 round capacity. Like virtually every pistol, even the officer's own pistol, if it gets taken away from him.
 
Pittsburgh Police Cmdr. William Valenta said one in five law enforcement officers killed between 1998 and 2001 was felled by an assault weapon.

I was astounded by the same quote. If Scottmkiv is right (and, I'll bet you are ... this number is so bogus), then this is just one more example of why we are winning ... the anti-self defense zealots can't open their mouths without lying.

Why are police chiefs and other political LEO types often so disgusting and out of touch with reality and the rank and file? Wow.

Regards from TX
 
Tom Mauser, whose son was killed in the Columbine High School massacre, donned the tennis shoes that Daniel wore as he was shot and marched them yesterday into the heart of the nation's gun lobby.

Thats really sad.

He should move on.

While he's at it he should ask the police department in his town why they didnt take Harris' threats, and complaints from neighbors about him making pipe bombs seriously. If they had searched Hrris house after a neighbor compalined repeatedly they would have found pipe bombs and Harris would have been arrested, Columbine would have never happened.
 
While he's at it he should ask the police department in his town why they didnt take Harris' threats, and complaints from neighbors about him making pipe bombs seriously. If they had searched Hrris house after a neighbor compalined repeatedly they would have found pipe bombs and Harris would have been arrested, Columbine would have never happened.

He should also ask why one of the parents of these monsters was unaware of the sawed off shotgun barrel in the kid's bedroom. I make a visual inspection of my kids rooms at least once every other week, whether they like it or not. I never tell them when I'm going to do it, and they aren't usually around. I would never allow a lock on one of my kids' bedrooms that I didn't have the key or combo to. If they tried to do that, the lock would be removed immediately. I own that house, not them.

I am not being so unrealistic that I think my kids can't hide something from me. However, I heard that the sawed off shotgun barrel was sitting out in plain site in the kid's bedroom.
 
He should also ask why one of the parents of these monsters was unaware of the sawed off shotgun barrel in the kid's bedroom. I make a visual inspection of my kids rooms at least once every other week, whether they like it or not.


Amen to that. If you walk in your kids room, and you should as a parent, and you spot a nazi flag, a gun (s), lit on guns, or other questionable activity, its time to sit little Timy down for a talk, and as my Dad would say, an ass beating.
 
they get the 1 in 5 figure by counting any gun which can accept a magazine with higher than 10 round capacity


I hear this "1 in 5" crap spouted over and over, implying that cops are being mowed down with "evil black rifles" when its really standard cap pistols.:cuss:

The real problem is that the antis have succeeded in making people believe that the AWB bans machine guns; and truth be told I don't doubt that most neutral Americans are somewhat nervous about citizens owning machine guns, unfortunately.

But that's a separate issue than what the AWB is really about. Does the NRA have any access to major newspapers to place ads? They gotta be doing something with the money I give 'em.....
 
Take a look at an assault weapon. Really it's on a list that I found somewhere
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drove by there on Sat about 1:30 and a few other times and all I could see was a few video camera outfits interviewing about -3- people with various signs...

Could didn't see anything approaching any kind of organized protest or anything more than a handful of protesters....
 
Continue attempts to define gun ownership as a Public Health issue!!

Dr. Barbara Barlow, Director of Surgery at Harlem Hospital Center in New York City, is also

Director of the Injury Free Coalition for Kids,
a National Program of the:

Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
of Princeton, New Jersey.
{They also fund a group called Join Together.}


Injury Free is a coalition of Injury Prevention Programs in Pediatric Trauma Centers located in major cities in the United States.

The Injury Free Program reduces injury through education, construction of safe play areas, and the development and support of safe supervised activities with strong adult mentors.

Major injury admissions of community children in Harlem have decreased by more than 60% since the program started in 1988.

{Please note how many of these organizations have ties to:
Join Together, the Tides Foundation, do a "search" on THR. }

The Program and Dr. Barlow have received awards from
the American Hospital Association,
the American Academy of Pediatrics,
the U.S. Department of Transportation,
the National Highway Traffic Safety Association,
the National Safety Council, the American Trauma Society,
the National Association of Public Hospitals,
Society of Public Health Educators of the American Public Health Association,
Johnson and Johnson Foundation,
Allstate Foundation,
the Hospital Association of New York,
the American Association of Medical Colleges’ David E. Rogers Award,
the Renaissance Woman Award from the Foundation for Women in Medicine, the Distinguished Career Award from the American Public Health Association Section on Injury Control and Emergency Health Services, and the Sloan Public Service Award from the Fund for the City of New York.

Dr. Barlow’s research has focused on traumatic injury to children and on injury prevention for the past twenty-five years.
She is a former member of the American College of Surgeons Committee on Trauma and the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Pediatric Emergency Medicine.
Dr. Barlow received a B.A. from Vassar College,
an M.A. in Psychology from Columbia University and an
M.D. from Albert Einstein College of Medicine where she was elected to Alpha Omega Alpha.
Her general surgical training was completed at Bronx Municipal Hospital followed by a Fellowship in Pediatric Surgery at Babies Hospital, C
olumbia Presbyterian Medical Center.
She is currently a Professor of Surgery in Epidemiology at Columbia University and the Mailman School of Public Health.
 
I had heard that this "1 in 5 Police officers were killed with an assault weapon" statement that HCI brandishes about (pun intended) is arrived at by including any gun that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition in its magazine. This would include many semiautomatic pistols, whether the perp had limited capacity magazines (10 rounds or less) or whether the perp had normal capacity magazines for the semiautomatic pistol he used to kill the cop. To HCI, it doesn't even matter that a cop was killed with one shot, which could negate their whole arguement for limited capacity magazines and assault weapons bans.

According to the GOA 2004 Fact Sheet, in the foot notes (foot note 115), HCI also has a problem with the study they are referring to. In that study, because they use such a wide definition of "assault weapon" to include any firearm capable of holding more than 10 rounds in its magazine, they show that crimes using assault weapons increased dramatically after the AWB94. Prior to the ban, the Federal govt. provided facts that showed only 1% of cops were shot with firearms that would fit the definition of the AWB94. Now the Brady Bunch shows that number to be around either 20% or 36%, depending upon which way they use the numbers. Sheesh. What a bunch of hoplophobes.

Even so, HCI has now encountered a dilemma with the publishing of their study: their study "shows" that there has been a dramatic increase in the number of policemen being killed by so-called assault weapons AFTER the ban was put in place. (HCI claims that 36% of the guns killing officers are "assault weapons," but the government’s own pre-ban figures show the number was only one percent.
 
Looks like someone was on potty break while God was handing out this piece of the human mind we call logic.:D


Some poeple will never get it, as they lack the skill we call "critical thinking". Which requires the above metioned trait.
 
Looks like someone was on potty break while God was handing out this piece of the human mind we call logic.

Like the old saying goes; "When God gave out brains, they thought he said trains, and decided they would go by air".

Could that be where the term "air head" came from.:)
 
No, not really

The founding fathers would have hanged most of today's probationers and parolees.

No, not really. The vast majority of probationers and parolees are likely the result of the "war on drugs". Our foundes would probably have believed it impossible that millions could be locked up simply for smoking cannabis.

The things we put most people in jail for today were not crimes. But, you raise a valid point as to violent crimes, treason, espionage, etc. Even 60 years ago, justice was swift. A recent show on History discussed the Nazi spys found after landing in submariens. Within 6 months of landing, 6 of the 8 were electrocuted. There were definitely problems with the prosecution and FDR (and Hoover) certainly didn't let little things like the law get in his way. But you have to admire the efficiency of the process.

-derek
 
If you ever have the chance to speak about Mauser or anyone like him (Brady, Blek, etc.) the proper response is this:

"I don't have anything against Mr. Mauser personally; I don't expect grieving parents to be rational or fair, and if blaming me for his son's death makes it any less painful for Mr. Mauser, I'll let him get his licks in. Who knows what kind of crazy thing I might do if my son died? I don't want to think about it.
It's all of the rest of us who have to be rational and fair and ask the hard questions, like 'would confiscating my guns stop the next Columbine?' If you're not grief-stricken and desperate, it doesn't make much sense."

Of course, if a reporterette shoves a microphone in your face outside a gun show, you'll never get all that broadcast. But if you address the Kiwanis on the topic of gun control, I think it's the only tack that could ever work. I said something similar to Mary Leigh Blek once, and she wasn't happy, but there was a conversation. If I'd said "Is the insurance package pretty good when you're making a living from your son's death?" the conversation would have ended quickly with her the indignant but righteous soul beset on all sides by the iniquities of the loutish gun owners.
 
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