I truly like Ruger products...own three of them at the moment..10/22...Mark I (bull barrel)... and a Bisley-Vaquero (old style). All are excellent quality and never had any problems with them. I met Bill Ruger in his office back around 1971-72 or so...didn't like him... but then again it wasn't Bill I was bringing home when I bought one of his guns ...so it really didn't matter what I thought of him personally!
Gun Manufacturers you love to hate (Ruger?) or . . .
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ConstitutionCowboy
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I had a problem with the owners of Smith and Wesson when they capitulated to the Clinton Administration. About a month before the British owners capitulated, I bought an Airweight in .32 H&R Mag. I didn't buy another S&W until after the Brits sold S&W and the new owners showed themselves to have a pair. We bought another Airweight in .32 H&R Mag and now the wife and I have guns we can carry that take the same ammo.
I owned a couple Rugers before the AWB went into effect and didn't buy another until after Bill Ruger passed away and the company got with the program.
I'd have to say the bones I pick with the different manufacturers are political. That said, if Kimber ever goes nuts, I'll have to do some real soul searching....
Woody
I owned a couple Rugers before the AWB went into effect and didn't buy another until after Bill Ruger passed away and the company got with the program.
I'd have to say the bones I pick with the different manufacturers are political. That said, if Kimber ever goes nuts, I'll have to do some real soul searching....
Woody
lima_w
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I like Ruger; I carry a SP-101 every day and love it.
I respect the reliability and simplicity of Glocks, but dislike their aesthetics and ergonomics and the fact that rappers LOVE them.
I respect the reliability and simplicity of Glocks, but dislike their aesthetics and ergonomics and the fact that rappers LOVE them.
gulogulo1970
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Colt, I wish they would sell their double action revolvers again.
I also wish they would have kept up with the times and made a modern 9mm/40S&W polymer pistol.
Innovation was really never their strong suit in my lifetime, anyway. I don't know why I ever expected anything else from them.
I also wish they would have kept up with the times and made a modern 9mm/40S&W polymer pistol.
Innovation was really never their strong suit in my lifetime, anyway. I don't know why I ever expected anything else from them.
Zebraranger
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I'm with CraigC & Cosmoline on this one. What someone did decades ago just dont matter since they are long gone and their views went with them. I think both companies learned a lesson with the decisions they made decades ago. I know one thing, Bill Rugers views went with Bill Ruger. They certainly are not Ruger Manufacturing views and haven't been in years. I've had more issues with my S&W's in the past 5 years than I've ever had from my Rugers, but I still own, shoot & like both. As far as quality control, most major manufacturers who produce the quanity these two companies produce, will kick out a lemon every now & then. Over the years I've just tried to buy what I like, and what I think will perform well and fit my needs.
CraigC has it right. Bill Ruger's magazine idea was only about throwing the politicians a bone in order to head off the Brady Bill. He like many others knew how the politicians thought.
His idea didn't come to fruition and the Brady Bill passed and it had a magazine cap in it anyway along with back ground checks. Then when it went into effect we found out that the back ground checks were also for long gun sales. Something we were not told.
If we had given them a mag cap we might have been able to shut them down.
As it was we didn't and a few former pro gun policitians, Lloyd Bentsen of Texas was one, sold us out.
1 vote in our favor and it would have been a tie.
I can't remember the guys name that was the final deciding vote but he said the magazine provision was the deciding factor for him.
He got voted out next election.
His idea didn't come to fruition and the Brady Bill passed and it had a magazine cap in it anyway along with back ground checks. Then when it went into effect we found out that the back ground checks were also for long gun sales. Something we were not told.
If we had given them a mag cap we might have been able to shut them down.
As it was we didn't and a few former pro gun policitians, Lloyd Bentsen of Texas was one, sold us out.
1 vote in our favor and it would have been a tie.
I can't remember the guys name that was the final deciding vote but he said the magazine provision was the deciding factor for him.
He got voted out next election.
jhallrv4
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"This probably seems stupid to many, but when I target shoot, I just prefer to hold something which has attractive lines..."
Yep. You said "target shoot". So, if you're serious about "target shooting", the only line that matters is the line surrounding the group. And the line from the center of the X ring to the outside of the group.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean, and I'm all about lines too, but when I "target shoot", the holes in the aforementioned target are all that matter.
Plinking is another matter.
Yep. You said "target shoot". So, if you're serious about "target shooting", the only line that matters is the line surrounding the group. And the line from the center of the X ring to the outside of the group.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean, and I'm all about lines too, but when I "target shoot", the holes in the aforementioned target are all that matter.
Plinking is another matter.
jhallrv4
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Another thing, I never shot a Glock before yesterday. I know, weird. Still, now that I have, and I've seen a new student shoot her best groups to date with a wrung-out rental G19, I have a new respect for them. She ended up buying one before leaving the gunshop. Now, after shooting the rental, and dry-firing her outa-the-box one, then the gunshop guy's "breathed-on" one, I would say I'd do some upgrading on the trigger. BIG difference. After the student has done some firing of the new one, I may do the upgrade for her.
Jeff
Oh, and for the record, I hated the Springfield XD-40. Traded it for a Beretta and never looked back. Love my Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail 1911.
And Smith 686+. And Smith 3913NL. That's just me, YMMV. Variety is the spice, and all that...
Jeff
Oh, and for the record, I hated the Springfield XD-40. Traded it for a Beretta and never looked back. Love my Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail 1911.
And Smith 686+. And Smith 3913NL. That's just me, YMMV. Variety is the spice, and all that...
jhallrv4
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One more thing, (I just re-read the thread title). I have found the customer lack-of-service at Rock River Arms to be the pinnacle of abysmal. Seriously. I have finally achieved reliability from my LAR-15, but with absolutely NO HELP from them. Really, not so much as a return phone call, return e-mail, nada, zilch, squat. Period. Pathetic.
Yes, I'm PI$$ED.
Never again. They blew it, I'm done.
Yes, I'm PI$$ED.
Never again. They blew it, I'm done.
m500'92
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Company Officials pass, neither Horrace Smith or Daniel Wesson, who created the company and built the image of the company, did anything stupid such as Ruger did. S&W also has changed ownership and management since that date. And yes Ruger did a great job of copying other people's designs, I don't see that as a great accomplishment. Also I doubt the Super Blackhawk ever passed the S&W in sales. And I think it was truly the Colt SAA and it's replicas that "paved the way to CAS". The vaquero never came out till recently and there wasn't too large a gap between the SAA being discontinued and Uberti's being introduced. The 10/22, it just gets stripped and used as a receiver most of the time. Also it was a time after Bill Rugers' death that the company started selling high cap mags again so that parts not completely true either. And speaking of internal locks and crap on S&W's, just look at any ruger made now with all the warnings, safetys and as far as I know, almost all with internal locks.
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Mossberg, Savage, Smith & Wesson (Mostly Old), Sig and Old Stevens guns.
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I hate Remington.
CraigC
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Some folks are so frothy over this stuff, it overrides all logic and reason.
Get a grip.
Only a handful of Rugers have internal locks. At this point, only single actions and only a few of them. Like it or not, there they are and they actually work, unlike S&W. Also unlike S&W, they are easily ignored.
The Colt SAA was dropped at the onset of WWII with no plans to bring it back afterwards. Then Bill Ruger designed and introduced the Single Six in 1953 with broad acceptance. It stirred so much interest that Ruger introduced a centerfire single action in the Blackhawk in .357 in 1955 with the .44Mag the following year. In light of this, Colt did bring back the SAA in 1956. If you think that Ruger's guns did not play a huge, vital role in the proliferation of Cowboy Action Shooting, you've got it worse than I thought.
Out of the millions and millions of 10/22's in circulation, how many do you really think have been stripped down and rebuilt??? Probably less than 5%.
If you call 18yrs ago "recently".
I seriously doubt S&W has ever sold as many .44Mag's as Ruger. Although the rest of your info is "so" accurate.
Get a grip.
FROGO207
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I was once told by a gun store "employee" that Rugers were poor man's firearms that were just OK. I guess that I am a "poor man" 35 times over and will not trade any one of them away at this point.
Both Ruger and Savage are really great firearms that are quality built as well as accurate at an affordable cost to the common man. Not everyone can afford a Blaser or the like. Those that say the don't like the manufacturers ideas from past experiences is the same as saying they don't like Mercedes or Volkswagen because we were at war with Germany once.
Both Ruger and Savage are really great firearms that are quality built as well as accurate at an affordable cost to the common man. Not everyone can afford a Blaser or the like. Those that say the don't like the manufacturers ideas from past experiences is the same as saying they don't like Mercedes or Volkswagen because we were at war with Germany once. m500'92
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More recent than the Uberti, you know that company that made some of the first SAA replicas actually suited for CAS? (Uberti started making Colt replicas in 1959)
Okay, how about the ones made since Ruger died? -MkIII, SR9, P345, etc. (Okay, my bad, I meant to put designed recently, rather than made now) And it's quite simple to ignore ones on S&W's - don't touch them, or is that somehow complicated to you?
Good job being wrong again, just look at these ATF stats as of the most recent year, 2008 - S&W outselling Ruger in 44's - 14,610 to 12,738 (close but no cigar)
http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/afmer/2008-firearms-manufacturers-export-report.pdf
http://www.atf.gov/statistics/
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Who is "everyone"?
Bubbles
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Benelli and Beretta are on my deleted list right now due to CS issues. OTOH both Remington and Mossberg have been absolutely wonderful.
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m500'92
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Also wouldn't buy another Marlin or Remington since Cerberus bought them and especially since finding they closed down the Marlin plant.
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The latest garbage has the lock too, LCP and LCR's
I'll never touch a ruger, or a S&W or Taurus or Rossi - anything with an internal lock
Nothing made by a company that produces internal locks.
Caliper_Mi
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I hate most Remington rimfire ammo. At the moment, their rimfire rifle (597) is giving me accuracy problems also.
I never got the Ruger hate either. My first firearm was a P95. It has eaten everything I've fed it, even Pakistani surplus (big muzzle flash!). I think it says something when the manufacturer states on their website that the pistol is good for any +P or +P+ loading. Only complaint is the design is a bit chunky so CCW with it is mainly fall/winter only.
My g/f has three of their pistols and a 10/22. All work great. Two days ago, I fully stripped her Mk1 down to a bare frame and bolt. I can say that the rumors of it being hard to work on are much overblown. As long as one follows the directions on removing the mainspring (.pdf manual free on their website) it is easy. Getting the extractor off took me longer.
Only thing I really hate about any manufacturer is that I can't afford more of their offerings!
I never got the Ruger hate either. My first firearm was a P95. It has eaten everything I've fed it, even Pakistani surplus (big muzzle flash!). I think it says something when the manufacturer states on their website that the pistol is good for any +P or +P+ loading. Only complaint is the design is a bit chunky so CCW with it is mainly fall/winter only.
My g/f has three of their pistols and a 10/22. All work great. Two days ago, I fully stripped her Mk1 down to a bare frame and bolt. I can say that the rumors of it being hard to work on are much overblown. As long as one follows the directions on removing the mainspring (.pdf manual free on their website) it is easy. Getting the extractor off took me longer.
Only thing I really hate about any manufacturer is that I can't afford more of their offerings!
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I'm with you. I'm not prejudiced. Now there are guns that I don't much like the aesthetics of, but otherwise I'm an equal opportunity shooter.
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