Gun owners miffed by SLC airport's confusing no-firearms signs

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Couple funny things about the following article from today's Salt Lake Tribune:

1) The last name of the guy who runs the Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah (Gunn)

2) His quote. Priceless.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_7929804

Gun owners miffed by SLC airport's confusing no-firearms signs

It doesn't take a genius to know you can't tote your .40-caliber Glock through the metal detector at Salt Lake City International Airport. It does take a book of statutes to decipher the no-guns-allowed sign at the airport door, though.

It implies that you can't pack inside the terminal, but it lists a state law that says you can.

"The average citizen has to be a lawyer or a mind-reader to figure out what that sign means," said Mike Stollenwerk, a Virginia-based gun-rights advocate who has asked the airport to remove the signs. Utah gun owners likewise complain of the mixed message, and some proudly ignore the warning.

That's their right, and no one is stopping them, airport officials say.
"The public area - the ticket counter, terminal, lobby - is public," city airport spokeswoman Barbara Gann said. "The laws that apply to public areas apply there."

The law mentioned on the sign, Utah Code 76-10-529, allows concealed-weapons permittees to carry their guns as permitted and most everyone else to carry in plain sight, with an empty chamber, in most public places.
Anyone strolling out of the short-term parking garage toward the sliding glass doors by the car rental desks learns that smoking is prohibited within 25 feet of the entrance and it's a "prohibited area for all weapons." Except, as airport officials acknowledge, the prohibited area doesn't start until passengers walk past the baggage claims and ticket counters and queue up for the security checkpoint.

The signs alert people early so they won't walk into a problem, Gann said. Though Stollenwerk e-mailed the airport about the confusion, Gann said there's no plan to change.

Kevin Jensen is a Utah member of Stollenwerk's opencarry.org Internet community, and he gladly responded when Stollenwerk put out a call for a local to photograph the premature signs for his Web site. He, with his Model 23 .40-caliber Glock, and wife Clachelle, with her Model 26 Glock 9 mm, stood smiling by the door as his sister-in-law snapped a shot of them last month.

Jensen sees the signs as a nuisance to the uninformed, but he knows better. He arms himself for airport trips because he believes that supposedly gun-free zones are dangerous. "When someone has posted that they don't allow weapons, criminals see that as an opportunity," he said.

That hypothetical criminal is a bogeyman to Steven Gunn of the Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah. He knows state law allows guns into the airport, but he wishes it didn't. There are plenty of authorities with guns at the airport, he said. "If you've got a concealed weapon, don't try to protect me," he said. "I'll take my chances with the security forces."

Clark Aposhian of the Utah Shooting Sports Council said he plans to visit the airport and ask again for the signs' relocation. "If I'm going to pick up folks or drop off my wife at the airport, I carry a firearm wherever I go," he said. "It's the law. I obey the law, and I expect the state and municipalities to know and obey the law."
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"If you've got a concealed weapon, don't try to protect me," he said. "I'll take my chances with the security forces."

"I'll take my chances"

Thats just fine. Remember, it's not the odds, it's the stakes!
 
It doesn't take a genius to know you can't tote your .40-caliber Glock through the metal detector at Salt Lake City International Airport.

That is not true. I know it's not true because in 1986 Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center said that Glocks are invisible to metal detectors. Mr. Sugarman, a noted expert on all things related to firearms and a real smart guy too, helped noted columnist Jack Anderson of the Washington Post to alert America to this peril:

The Austrian-made Glock 17 pistol was the subject of a "gun control" scare originating in 1986 with Washington Post columnists Jack Anderson and Dale Van Atta (with assistance from anti-gun activist Josh Sugarmann), because it was one of the first widely available handguns to have a polymer frame (or handle) which reduced the overall weight of the gun. In his newspaper column (which, strangely enough, ran on the comics page) Anderson claimed that Libyan dictator Muammar Quadaffi was "in the process of buying more than 100 plastic handguns that would be difficult for airport security forces to detect" to use in anti-U.S. attacks.

Jack Anderson died in 2005 after winning a Pulitzer Prize for his distinguished investigative reporting. Josh Sugarmann, the Violence Policy Center, and the Washington Post continue to thrive as reliable sources for information about the perils of firearms.

I believe everything they say.
 
Seeing as Clark is an extremely vocal advocate of Gun Rights both for Utah and Nationally, I think he was either misquoted or that his quote is being paraphrased, or taken from context, or that he's putting words into the mouths of the beaurocraps in a hypothetical "this is what they mean with these signs" kind of way. Read his second quote for a more clear understanding of Clark.
If every state had a few Clark Aposhian's we'd have clear meaningful gun laws, open and concealed carry laws, and a good friend for gun owners everywhere.
 
Clark aposhian said he was going to visit the airport and ask for the signs to be relocated. Steven Gunn said he didn't want CC'ers to protect him.
 
OK... Mr Gunn has made the free choice that he will put his and his families' lives in the hands of.... do I understand this... Airport Security??????:eek:

And yet he would if within his power, refuse me the right to protect myself from harm. Is it just me or is that Elitist thinking of the worst kind?? I know what is best FOR YOU... just give me the power to enforce what I think is best FOR YOU.

I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK :what:


Hmmmmmm.... how would one speak to someone like that clearly, unemotionally and intelligently about RKBA when they come from that unbelievable position??
 
So Mr. Gunn would try his level best to keep us from protecting ourselves. Yet, I would wager that many of us on THR would do what we could to protect him if we were in a situation where he was in immedate threat of physical harm or death... even if he asked us not to render aid.
 
orgon street,
i think every self respecting gun owner would do what they could if they could. however, if gunn wishes to walk around with a shirt that says "law-abiding gunowners, please don't protect me from bodily harm or certain death" i would certainly abid by his wishes.
 
That hypothetical criminal is a bogeyman to Steven Gunn of the Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah. He knows state law allows guns into the airport, but he wishes it didn't. There are plenty of authorities with guns at the airport, he said. "If you've got a concealed weapon, don't try to protect me," he said. "I'll take my chances with the security forces."
Like that hypothetical boogeyman at VA Tech, various malls and schools, churches, etc. that hit gun-free zones? Yeah I've heard of him.
I'll abide by his wishes and not protect him. He can take his chances with the "security forces", like the ones that beat the crap out of that soldier this summer for trying to take a soda through security. The last time I saw one of the security forces members at the airport, you know where the huge line for security is, I was afraid he'd poke me with his walkie talkie antenna (his weapon) if I tried anything.
Portland Airport has a similar policy where guns are allowed even though it's prohibited according to their signs (same with schools). It's great when port authority thinks it can make it's own rules that supercede state law.
 
You beat me to it, Drew.

I was beginning to think of all those "hypothetical" bogeymen who spent the last year shooting up malls, schools, and churches.
 
OK... Mr Gunn has made the free choice that he will put his and his families' lives in the hands of.... do I understand this... Airport Security??????

Boy, is that one very brave hombre. Trusting his and his families lives to the TSA.

I don't have his guts. I will trust in myself and St. John Moses Browning, thank you very much.

Go figure.

Fred
 
You know, I've been to that airport a lot. Those signs, somehow, never confused me: you can't take a gun past the metal detectors. It doesn't matter what you do outside the metal detectors, as far as weapons go.

SLC Airport POLICE (not security, unless you're talking about the screeners) are good folks. I knew quite a few of them when I lived up there. But I still don't like trusting others with my safety. I'll continue to take my chances driving.
 
Like that hypothetical boogeyman at VA Tech, various malls and schools, churches, etc. that hit gun-free zones? Yeah I've heard of him.
I'll abide by his wishes and not protect him.

Unfortunately, when the bogeyman attacks, there may not be an opportunity for antis like Mr. Gunn to communicate to CCW holders that they do not wish to be protected. If there were some visual cue or symbol they could display on their person, that would let CCW holders know that they want to take their chances with the bad guy, it would be a big help. I suggest this:

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The law mentioned on the sign, Utah Code 76-10-529, allows concealed-weapons permittees to carry their guns as permitted and most everyone else to carry in plain sight, with an empty chamber, in most public places.

Empty chamber? The state mandates an empty chamber to carry? I find this to be the most disturbing part of the story.
 
I visit SLC several times a year, and those signs definitely give the impression that the law is no firearms can be carried inside the doors rather than no firearms beyond the checkpoint.

Kharn
 
O.K. now I'm confused.
[most everyone else to carry in plain sight, with an empty chamber, in most public places. /QUOTE]
So how do you open carry a revolver ? Just have an empty chamber under the hammer? The whole cylinder empty. Seems like prejudice to me.
 
So if you disagree with the views of the guy who runs the Gun Violence Prevention Center, would that make you anti-gunn?

I'm sure many people in Utah wish it was a Gunn-free zone.

It just makes me think of all those people that say, "There's no such thing as a good gunn"...
 
Empty chamber? The state mandates an empty chamber to carry? I find this to be the most disturbing part of the story.

They're talking about two different things. If you have a CFP, you can carry concealed or openly with a fully loaded weapon. If you don't have a CFP, you can still carry openly, but the weapon has to have an empty chamber.
 
He says he wants no help from concealed carry holders...hmm. I wonder what he'd say if he was being held at gunpoint, and a CCW showed up, drew on the attacker, then noticed it was Gunn being robbed, and left. "Ohh, it's Steven Gunn. Never mind man, carry on. He doesn't want help."
 
"If you've got a concealed weapon, don't try to protect me,"

Don't worry... I won't.

Trust me, I wouldn't risk the endless legal dilemmas to "protect" some d-bag that I couldn't possibly care less about.
 
Empty chamber? The state mandates an empty chamber to carry? I find this to be the most disturbing part of the story.

No.
If you do not have a CCW permit and are carrying openly then the gun must not be "loaded" (as defined by UT state law). If you have a permit, you can carry with one in the pipe.
 
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