ZeSpectre
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Ah but wouldn't it be great to constantly remind him that he now owes his life to you? He probably would consider that worse than death.
Gun owners miffed by SLC airport's confusing no-firearms signs
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Ah but wouldn't it be great to constantly remind him that he now owes his life to you? He probably would consider that worse than death.
Jorg Nysgerrig
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Alright, let me try to explain carrying in Utah. There are essentially 3 laws regarding carrying in Utah.
Carrying a concealed dangerous weapon is prohibited. (76-10-504)
Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street. (76-10-505)
Possession of a dangerous weapon or firearm on or about school premises (76-10-505.5)
In Utah, all the Concealed Firearms Permit really does it exempt you from those three laws (76-10-523(2)). As you can gather from that, you can openly carry a gun, provided it isn't loaded. Loaded is legally defined in 76-10-502 as:
So, with that, pistols are considers unloaded if the chamber is empty since there s not one in the firing postion and it requires the manual operation of mechanism more than once for the cartridge to be fired. Racking the slide and pulling the trigger constitute two actions. With a revolver, it's generally accepted that unloaded is resting on an empty chamber and the next chamber empty as well. Two trigger pulls to fire. With an SA revolver, one might be able to argue that cocking the hammer is one operation and pulling the trigger is a second one, so you could have the next chamber loaded. I've not heard of that ever coming up.
As far as people with a CFP being able to open carry with one in the chamber, that's still up for debate about the letter/spirit of the law. The open carry advocates have been trying to get a ruling from the AG's office about that.
Carrying a concealed dangerous weapon is prohibited. (76-10-504)
Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street. (76-10-505)
Possession of a dangerous weapon or firearm on or about school premises (76-10-505.5)
In Utah, all the Concealed Firearms Permit really does it exempt you from those three laws (76-10-523(2)). As you can gather from that, you can openly carry a gun, provided it isn't loaded. Loaded is legally defined in 76-10-502 as:
(1) For the purpose of this chapter, any pistol, revolver, shotgun, rifle, or other weapon described in this part shall be deemed to be loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile in the firing position.
(2) Pistols and revolvers shall also be deemed to be loaded when an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile is in a position whereby the manual operation of any mechanism once would cause the unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile to be fired.
(3) A muzzle loading firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinders.
(2) Pistols and revolvers shall also be deemed to be loaded when an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile is in a position whereby the manual operation of any mechanism once would cause the unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile to be fired.
(3) A muzzle loading firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinders.
So, with that, pistols are considers unloaded if the chamber is empty since there s not one in the firing postion and it requires the manual operation of mechanism more than once for the cartridge to be fired. Racking the slide and pulling the trigger constitute two actions. With a revolver, it's generally accepted that unloaded is resting on an empty chamber and the next chamber empty as well. Two trigger pulls to fire. With an SA revolver, one might be able to argue that cocking the hammer is one operation and pulling the trigger is a second one, so you could have the next chamber loaded. I've not heard of that ever coming up.
As far as people with a CFP being able to open carry with one in the chamber, that's still up for debate about the letter/spirit of the law. The open carry advocates have been trying to get a ruling from the AG's office about that.
KBintheSLC
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As fun as that sounds, I won't intervene with my gun unless failing to do so would mean possible death to myself or a loved one. There are just too many liabilities involved in playing a hero and "protecting" random strangers. Liabilities that are too rich for my layman blood. As "wimpy" as it may sound, I would likely try to leave the area if a bad situation erupted. Not that I am scared of possible bodily harm, more that I am scared of the $70,000+ retainer that my attorney would require to defend me.
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