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At a motorcycle forum I belong to the subject of concealed carry while riding came up.
One of the forum members from Australia posted this:
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To use a quote from a Monty Python film, The Life of Brian, "You lucky, lucky, lucky, bastards...."

Even IF I went through the loooong process to get a pistol licence here, and was eventually deemed suitable to own one by our benificent authorities, if a member of the public so much as saw it in a public place in a holster under my jacket, the cops would be down on my arse so fast my head would spin and I'd probably spend a few nights in jail with the child molesters and murderers...no "concealed carry laws" for us I am afraid...at least not for John Q. Citizen...

Jeez, even if I am going out to a property to do some pest control shooting with my rifles, they must be: a/ locked in the trunk of the car, otherwise secured in a sealed box out of sight, b/ the bolt must be removed or the action broken, c/ the ammuniton must be in a seperate locked container, not stored with the weapons.

However, I still love to read about you guys and the freedom you have in the good ole' USA...fight for it with your last breath!

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The last sentence says it all.
 
And the aussie violent crime stats reflect exactly that civilian disarmament does not reduce crime, but encourage it...
 
That might be a relevant observation if "gun control" had anything to do with crime.

They know that gun control = more crime. But that's OK... a disarmed populace is easier to control; and higher crime rates = a "public emergency" that allows for even more laws, taxes, and government control of peoples' lives. It's a win-win for the leftists and bureaucrats.
 
The Australians will probably loose their rights to pistols in the near future,because of their prattish PM and lets not forget her please:the one and only R-E-B-E-C-C-A Peters,who gave an anti-gun conference in University College Hospital,in London.It's quite amusing,because that hospital has it's own smallarms range,in the basement of the building.

Perhaps she visited it and cried.:p:D:neener:Still it's quite sad that idiots have to resort to such measures,in order to make a society safer.:rolleyes:

Actually it was the right wing party that was responsible for the increased gun laws here.
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Yeah and the buffoons call themselves Conservative or Tories.They are more like Liberal Democrats than anything else or even the hippy,tree shagging, green party.
 
Wasnt it the Port Arthur incident that sparked all the harsh gun control in Austrailia back in 1996, with 35 dead and like 37 wounded. That guy just went nuts, he would have gone nuts with any weapon he had, rocks, bat, explosives, or sticks...
 
Actually it was the right wing party that was responsible for the increased gun laws here.
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The only reason so many people still believe in this "right wing/left wing" thing is because the media propagates it.
 
There is NO gun "ownership" in Australia. Certain people are "allowed" to hold firearms for the State. When the State decides to no longer allow these people to hold arms, they will be removed.

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The only reason so many people still believe in this "right wing/left wing" thing is because the media propagates it.
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Wrong,their current PM John Howard,is a member of the Australian Conservative Party and their leader,who became PM in 1996.He hates guns with a vengence and he displayed this callous behaviour,years ago,when he gave an anti-gun rant.

There are Tories who are pro-gun,but there are alot of them who are anti-gun.Similar situation over here,unfortunately.

The media exploited Howard's anti-gun feelings for their own agendas and also the Australian society collectively made Bryant a scapegoat,because he allegedly shot all of those people,when he was semi-retarded and had an IQ of below 60.He couldn't even get an automatic car license,because he was so retarded(These as you well know are easier to drive than a manual and are like driving bumper cars,at a fun-fair.),so what does that tell you about the whole affair,in total?I think it tells us that it is a sham and there are still some things to be shed light upon and for people to be made to tell the truth.But as we all know,it will be some time before the truth about Port Arthur gets out ;likely to be after many,many years-in approximately 3 to 7 decades,time.
 
There is NO gun "ownership" in Australia. Certain people are "allowed" to hold firearms for the State. When the State decides to no longer allow these people to hold arms, they will be removed.
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Not true at all,because there are Australian members on this website,who own legally-held weapons,in Australia.Try reading up some of the threads,that contain Australian gun laws on them,please.:neener:
 
I remember that an Australian member wrote that one or two states didn't require any license for rifles/carbines until Port Arthur...seem to remember something along the lines of maybe a few million rifles sold...a few hundred thousand handed in during the buy back :evil:.
Hope they stocked up on ammo :).
 
Wrong,their current PM John Howard,is a member of the Australian Conservative Party and their leader,who became PM in 1996.He hates guns with a vengence and he displayed this callous behaviour,years ago,when he gave an anti-gun rant.

There are Tories who are pro-gun,but there are alot of them who are anti-gun.Similar situation over here,unfortunately.

The media exploited Howard's anti-gun feelings for their own agendas and also the Australian society collectively made Bryant a scapegoat,because he allegedly shot all of those people,when he was semi-retarded and had an IQ of below 60.He couldn't even get an automatic car license,because he was so retarded(These as you well know are easier to drive than a manual and are like driving bumper cars,at a fun-fair.),so what does that tell you about the whole affair,in total?I think it tells us that it is a sham and there are still some things to be shed light upon and for people to be made to tell the truth.But as we all know,it will be some time before the truth about Port Arthur gets out ;likely to be after many,many years-in approximately 3 to 7 decades,time.
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I;m not sure that's what outerlimit meant. I may be wrong, but what he was getting at wasn't that the proponents or opponents of gun control belong to a specific party or political leaning. THey most certainly do. The "myth" lies in alignment. Gun control IS RIGHT WING. It subscribes to the very ideal of authortity over individuality. In recent decades, though, conservatives, catering to rather nostaligic notions of "conserving" family values, etc, has be cognizant of the fact those nostaligic images include families that own guns. The right wing has found a constituency in the family-values, religious-right. And culturally, they go shooting...

The divide of whether or not government is the overriding authority on private gun ownership does NOT ideologically follow the lines many people think. Today, there's more at work than left/right or conservative/liberal...it has more to do with whether you were raised with guns or are at the mercy of media for all of your gun information. THe former are often family-values religious right and the latter "free-thinking" metropolitan types. Classically speaking, and in stricter definitions, liberals value the individual and thus *should* shun the notion of a authoritatve govt deciding on private gun ownership. Right Wing, again by strict definition, would naturally advocate a strong authority to decide on whether or not an individual in a society is allowed to own a gun.

The delineation of the right naturally shunning gun control and the left praising it is an invention of parties catering to market segments... In reality, the left, if by extreme socialist or the right, if by extreme fascist, would all LOVE gun control...for the latter, gun control is good for the the glorious nation (patriotic belonging to a whole society, values, safety, and all the other reasons) which supercedes the individual. THe former defers to the people as a WHOLE(grouped by party or class, or whatever), again shunning the individual. Liberals, on another (third?) hand, by classic definition, would have a problem with gun control...
 
He couldn't even get an automatic car license,because he was so retarded(These as you well know are easier to drive than a manual and are like driving bumper cars,at a fun-fair.
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HAHA.....been to the states? Almost all of our cars are automatic. Why? I have no clue why...apparently to ma and pa joe american it's much too draining to manipulate a clutch pedal. A nation of extremes, i tell ya... We invented car culture and ultimate freedom is often expressed by hitting the open road. Yet at the same time, we don't want to be so free so as to pick our own damn GEAR! Extremes...from sportscars to minivans. From "guns are scary", i see them on TV, to "guns...no big deal, My dad has 20."
 
HAHA.....been to the states? Almost all of our cars are automatic. Why? I have no clue why...apparently to ma and pa joe american it's much too draining to manipulate a clutch pedal. A nation of extremes, i tell ya... We invented car culture and ultimate freedom is often expressed by hitting the open road. Yet at the same time, we don't want to be so free so as to pick our own damn GEAR! Extremes...from sportscars to minivans. From "guns are scary", i see them on TV, to "guns...no big deal, My dad has 20."
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Maybe because it's hard to shift while drinking coffee, sending a text message and eating an Egg McMuffin.
 
The gun laws there do suck , I have a Australian friend who is sending me her Glock (I gotta wait a year to get it :what:..damn BATF paperwork !) since she spends alot of time here and it isn't on the 'approved list' apparently. She is looking into getting a 8shot Taurus 357Mag revolver which is on the approved list . She wants it for those occasional run ins with those saltwater crocs . As for automatic cars well you got to look at it this way , suince our health care is sooo good alot of people are still driving at an elderly age (I said driving not driving well) and working a clutch is quite difficult for them .
 
Gun control IS RIGHT WING. It subscribes to the very ideal of authortity over individuality. In recent decades, though, conservatives, catering to rather nostaligic notions of "conserving" family values, etc, has be cognizant of the fact those nostaligic images include families that own guns. The right wing has found a constituency in the family-values, religious-right. And culturally, they go shooting...
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But the New Labour Party over here is left-wing and both they and Howards Tory Party,share similar views.Basically they dislike guns,so at the end of the day,we can say that both the Tories and Labour parties are as bad as one another.A sad outcome,but very true.
 
It's nice to chat with Brits and Aussies. Don't know if I'll ever get back to visit either anytime soon and I'll be the worse for it.

The Austrialians I've met (Melbourne-Geelong/Ford of Australia) were very independent minded people more or less like Southern Americans, but a bit more cultured. In the suburbs they didn't seem to mind not having firearms but in Geelong where there were small farms they seem to view gun control just as we do.

It seems that we (Brits, Aussie and us Yanks) have forgotten our lessons of British Common Law and we're now forced to pay the butcher's price for it. I recall having debates in coffee shops and bars after work with locals who did not like "my" idea of liberty. I was easy to pick out, btw, because their aren't many "Blacks" in Australia so many people would make a bee line to me to talk. I loved it. I felt like I was an ambassador. :)

The younger, cosmopolitan-types are very much like US citizens, but with a cool-arsed accent and slang. I much preferred the more country folk who would be 'looked down upon' by their more "cultured" bretheren, but they still "had the fire in their eye", if you know what I mean.

I'm sorry to see the political situation continue to nose dive; but we're doing likewise. Not many here see the big picture - only the 2nd Amendment, which in and of itself, doesn't mean much. Combined with Constitution, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confed, Magna Carta and English Common Law it's as natural as inhalation and exhalation.

Hope to get back 'down under. Melbourne was fantastic.

Cheers.
 
Chui, when I first moved to Melbourne I noticed that difference between city folk and rural people. I couldn't really put my finger on it and kept describing it as the seemed somehow softer.
I think that's the main reason gun control gets a foothold, because so many people live in cities and can't see why firearms are just a tool.
 
The extreme left and the extreme right

are two sides of the same coin. They are both about absolute government control, and any apparent differences are illusion.
 
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