Gun Show question

[George P]

Backstory:
Here in Florida in the last two or so years, they passed a law that basically says unless you possess the CWFL (Concealed Weapon and Firearm License), a buyer has to wait three days before taking possession of a handgun, rifle or shotgun.

Here's my query:
Joe Buyer goes to a gun show; he does NOT have the CWFL. Buys a gun from a FFL, passes the BG check etc. all is well. However, since he cannot take possession for three days, and since most gun shows are two day affairs here, how does Joe Buyer take possession when the three days are up?
Can the FFL ship the gun directly to him since he passed the BG check?
Does he have to travel to the FFL's place of business? I ask this because, here in north Florida, it is ~400 miles from Pensacola to Jacksonville, with the Tallahassee area almost in the middle and another 150 or so from Tallahassee to the Gainesville area. Buyers and sellers both travel from those distances to attend
If the buyer was from Pensacola and the seller from Jacksonville, that would be an 800 mile round trip to pick up a gun legally purchased with the buyer's background vetted and okayed.
Or, would the seller ship it to the buyer's FFL and then he has to go through yet another BG check?

I am sure Frank, Dogtown and others have a better insight into this than I do.

 

[Kp321]

I’m not from Florida but was a FFL dealer for 40 years. The two options are face to face in the sellers place of business or ship to the buyers FFL which would require another BG check.
Consider the options before doing the deal.

 

[Frank Ettin]

....Can the FFL ship the gun directly to him since he passed the BG check?...

No. That would violate federal law (18 USC 922(a)(2)).

...Does he have to travel to the FFL's place of business? ...

Or, would the seller ship it to the buyer's FFL and then he has to go through yet another BG check?
.....

Yes.

 

[George P]

What I thought, but was just curious (I have my CWFL) so it was more of a quirky question rattling around in my old brain.

 

[deadin]

Consider the options before doing the deal.

How big a deal is it to get a Florida CWFL?

 

[George P]

Not very.......this stems from a few months ago when I watched a father with his young son in Academy NOT able to buy a .22 rifle and take it with them for some father/son time and there is an upcoming show this weekend in the area where I live. It used to only be handguns had the 3 day period, but after Parkland and similar, the wise folks in Tallahassee made it for all guns without a CWFL. Compounded by recent events, I know several ladies that work for my wife were talking about going and buying a gun, so I wanted to make sure they know what they were running into.

 

[Alex Clayton]

Only choice would be have a local FFL hold the gun. So the most obvious answer would be not shop at the show unless you have the permit, since most any dealer is going to tack on a fee for doing this. If the deal is still good enough to be worth the fee the buyers FFL would add to hold and then transfer the gun? Great but, the buyer would of course have to remember to factor this in.

 

[indy1919a4]

How big a deal is it to get a Florida CWFL?

If you are legal and a proper person, you almost have to resist getting one. You have to attend a class that almost every gun show has a few. Takes a few hours. You take the certificate from the class and apply at the Agriculture Dept and a short time later you get the CWFL sent to your house. It does cost money for the class.. Like 50 bucks and would be pretty hard to fail and you'll learn a few things and get to shoot a gun as part of the class.

Also you must pay for the license, but it is not that much..

 

[deadin]

So if the intent is to just buy one gun (like the examples mentioned by the OP), it might not be worth the hassle and expense ($50 and a couple of hours of class, the cost of the license itself, etc.) to get a CWFL. Just pay the handling fee to your local FFL, or at least compare the costs (including what ever the costs of shipping turn out to be) and decide which one makes the most sense for you.

 

[indy1919a4]

So if the intent is to just buy one gun (like the examples mentioned by the OP), it might not be worth the hassle and expense ($50 and a couple of hours of class, the cost of the license itself, etc.) to get a CWFL. Just pay the handling fee to your local FFL, or at least compare the costs (including what ever the costs of shipping turn out to be) and decide which one makes the most sense for you.

Your logic and economic principles are sound.. But who the heck can buy just one gun?? I have been trying that for years.. Just doesn't work.. Honest..

Also another thing, if you want to join a private shooting club/range, most will want you to have something like it to prove you have a knowledge of firearms.

 

[PapaG]

In IL there has been no legal same day delivery for years now. Often we would be hauling guns back to our shop bought by people local to us from distant dealers at the show. Same in reverse, we sent guns home with other dealers to be delivered at their place. Lots of paperwork.

 

[deadin]

Your logic and economic principles are sound.. But who the heck can buy just one gun??

I never said it wasn't a slippery slope......

 

[Speedo66]

If you only want one gun, then in adding up the cost of the course, license, shipping, FFL fee, not to mention the cost of the show admission and possible parking fee, sounds like it might be advantageous to buy local.

Do all transfers have to go through a FFL? If not, Armslist or something like it could be the way to go.

 

[George P]

Florida allows FTF sales; the thing is, at this moment in time, LGS shelves are pretty bare; for some, this might be their only quick solution (and they'll pay for it in the price)

 

[kanook]

When I ( worked for a FFL) ran the circuit, we would know ( not always ) some FFL who we could transfer the firearm to for the wait/delay that was at the show. We would also accept transfers for people that lived in our county. If we didn't know a dealer at the show, it was up to the buyer to find one.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Similar to long standing Illinois waiting period, even from a gun show. I have gone to pick up my purchased gun from a dealer's kitchen table or store days after the show. As it is now three days for all guns (was 1 day for long guns and 3 for pistols up until a couple years back) the show will certainly be over before you get your purchase. Cheer up....here in IL a CCW permit gets you nada, zip & nothing by way of sensible reprieve from the onerous waiting period.

 

[MedWheeler]

Post 2 answers the original question.

The Florida CWFL is easy to get, but make take longer than it has prior due to some regional tax collectors's office being closed. The license is issued by the Department of Agriculture, which is now headed by a Democrat who has made her anti-gun stance known. It used to be headed by the FDLE, but the NRA pushed for it to be headed by someone who could be held accountable by voters, so it was transferred. Having it certainly makes firearms-shopping convenient, but to get it for a one-time purchase without intending to actually ever carry a firearm would be more of a hassle than having a desired gun shipped to a Federal licensee for pickup.

 

[Outlaw75]

Now I'm curious; has OP been to a show since this law has been passed? Were there any non local dealers there?