Gunman opens fire at a church in Neosho

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hobbeeman, The next time you are asked why you need to carry at a church outing, pull out a printout of the story being discussed here. Tell them you care enough about yourself and them, that you want to be able to defend your group if the need ever arises. Because as this news story shows, that need MAY arise.

I don't go to church, as I am an atheist, but there are just some places that should be beyond this kind of assault, and churches are in the top two on that list, schools being up there too. I do respect religious freedoms, and a House of God is a place to seek peace and harmony, to free yourself from guilt and the sins of the world, it's a [censored] shame that senseless violence has to invade there.
 
The lord helps those that help themselves. It's a mans responsibility to look after his family in this life.
 
This church shooting is a tragedy that could have been avoided, and I hope one of the victims families sue the state for not allowing them to protect themselves.

Like someone else said, concealed means concealed, and I carry EVERY Sunday. I carry a NAA 22 magnum in my front pocket and a S&W M38 "bodyguard" in my Bible carrier.

I am hit and miss when it comes to carrying on a daily basis, but Sunday is the only day that I carry consistently. I could never forgive myself if someone attacked my church, and I was unable to defend my family because my gun was in my truck. I am trying to carry more on a daily basis, but there are instances this time of the year when concealment is tough to accomplish.
 
Unarmed victim zones are red flags for me. I avoid going to those places as much as possable. I live in mid. Tenn. and I've been carrying in church for a long time now. Only my wife knows. So far there has been no reason to worry...but...there is always next week.

Mark.
 
Journalistic accuracy at its finest

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9 mm semiautomatic machine pistol

I can't wait to find out what it turns out to be.
Supposedly a Tec-9.

You won't find a bag of hammers that's not smarter, or a gypsy driveway contractor that's not more honest than the average "journalist".
 
Here is a longer story, from the main area paper. The shooter and the congregation were apparently Micronesians. This is about 30 miles away from me, and we have a large Micronesian community as well, about 10% of the population and about 50% of the police calls. It is unusual for them to use guns, however.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/local_story_225000616.html?keyword=leadpicturestory


Gunman kills pastor, two others

By Greg Grisolano

[email protected]

NEOSHO, Mo. — A pastor and two members of a Neosho congregation were killed and several others were wounded when a man went on a shooting spree during a Sunday afternoon church service.

Kernal Rehobson, 44, of Goodman, was leading the service for a congregation of predominantly Micronesian worshippers at the First Congregational Church in downtown Neosho when the gunman burst into the church. Between 25 and 50 people, including children, were briefly held hostage, authorities said.

Newton County Coroner Mark Bridges said Rehobson was shot multiple times and was pronounced dead at the scene. The identities of the two other victims, both Micronesian men in their late 40s to early 50s, were not released because next of kin had not been notified.

Bridges said the shooter and at least one of the dead may have been relatives of Rehobson’s.

“It’s my understanding some of the victims and the shooter may be in the same family,” he said.

At least three others suffered serious wounds. They were taken to St. John’s Regional Medical Center and Freeman Hospital West in Joplin.

“From what I understand, they expect the three other victims in Joplin hospitals to survive,” Bridges said.

Officers with the Neosho Police Department, the Newton County Sheriff’s Department and the Missouri State Highway Patrol responded to a 911 call from the church at 1:54 p.m. The service started at 1 p.m.

A short time later, a team of officers stormed the church and found the gunman holding a gun to the head of a female hostage, said Newton County Sheriff Ken Copeland. After a brief stand-down, he surrendered without incident.

“The suspect surrendered without resistance,” Neosho police Chief David McCracken said at a news conference Sunday. “The suspect is now in Newton County Jail, pending charges.”

He declined to give any further information about the suspect, including his name, until charges are filed.

McCracken said authorities were not certain as to how many people were injured in the rampage.

“We had some people escape from the crime scene prior to police arrival that had been wounded,” he said. “At this point, we’re unclear as to exactly how many people have been wounded.”

Johnny Bowzer, 24, of Goodman, was across the street when police stormed the building’s side door. Bowzer was on his way to see a friend, Steve Magruder, who lives on McCord Street, across from the church.

“They (the SWAT team) were in there for about 20 seconds,” Bowzer said. “I could hear yelling coming from inside. They had four or five ambulances come up this road. One guy came running out the side door, and some SWAT guys tackled him.”

McCracken said police found three guns at the scene, a 9 mm handgun with an oversized magazine and two .22-caliber pistols.

Police said the motive for the shooting might have been a disturbance Saturday night between the suspect and the victims. “At this point, we don’t have enough information to make a determination,” McCracken said.

Micronesia is a group of islands in the South Pacific. According to figures from the 2000 census, as many as 8,300 Micronesians and other Pacific islanders were living in the Four-State Area. Rehobson, at least for a time several years ago, operated a specialty food store in Goodman called L&KS’ Island Market.

Church pastor Thomas Thorne said the Micronesian services, conducted in the islanders’ native tongue, started about three years ago and take place after English services have concluded.

“They are members of our church, but they’re basically their own entity,” he said. “They were trying to upgrade the outlook of the Micronesian community. They’re just some good people trying to better themselves and better other people of their ethnic group.”

Thorne said he appreciated the support the community was showing for the victims and the church.

“At this point in time, we just ask that everybody in their own way offer prayers for the family,” he said. “We appreciate the love and concern that we’ve already received from pastors and members of the community.”

Staff writers Joe Hadsall and Jeff Lehr contributed to this report.



News conference


Neosho police Chief David McCracken said information would be released at a news conference at 10:30 a.m. today.
 
When I was stationed at Florennes, AB in Belgium I went on a tour of the local countryside sponsored by MWR. There's a little town on the river Meuse called Hastiere. Right on the river there's a little stone chapel that was built in 1100 something. The church itself was built more or less like a fort and the guide pointed out the marks on the stone steps leading into the sanctuary. Those marks were made by parishioners who used the stone steps to sharpen the blades of their arrows and swords while fighting off Vikings who came up the river to raid the town. There was a time when churches were as much a place of physical safety as they were of spiritual safety.
 
Church gunman targeted elders

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20238693/

NEOSHO, Mo. - A gunman who opened fire in a church and killed three people and wounded five had targeted the leaders of a Micronesian congregation, a prosecutor said Monday.

Newton County prosecutor Scott Watson said Monday the investigation suggests the gunman, also Micronesian, deliberately targeted elders of the congregation. The victims were not friends or relatives of the gunman, he said.

“I think that you’ll find that the victims were what some would term elders or leaders (of the Micronesian congregation),” Watson told The Associated Press. “As information continues to come forward, it appears that the shots that were fired were not random.”


The gunman, in his 40s, has not been identified pending the filing of charges. Watson said he expects to file charges later Monday, including three counts of first-degree murder.

The gunman opened fire Sunday afternoon after ordering children out of the sanctuary of First Congregational Church in southwest Missouri, which the Micronesian congregation rents for its services.

Altercation a day earlier
Police said the shooting followed an altercation Saturday night between the suspect and a family that belonged to the congregation. It wasn’t clear if the suspect was part of the congregation or if the family was in the sanctuary during the attack.

The gunman had two small-caliber handguns and one 9 mm semi-automatic machine pistol with a large magazine, McCracken said. The shooting came during the 1 p.m. service, which was attended by about 50 people, ranging in age from children to the elderly.

“This was a tragedy as far as those killed and injured but it could have been a lot worse,” McCracken said.

The gunman surrendered after about 10 minutes of negotiation. He had briefly held 25 to 50 people hostage before surrendering.

Police have named one of the dead so far, Kernal Rehobson, 44, of Goodman, who was the pastor of the congregation.

The other two victims were male members of the congregation, who were “what we would call deacons,” said Dave McCracken, Neosho police chief. Their names were not released because relatives were still being notified.

Good prognosis for wounded
He said police were told five wounded people, all adults, would recover.

First Congregational Church McCracken said Micronesians began arriving in Neosho 20 or 25 years ago to work in the poultry industry and about 200 live in the Neosho area.

Rehobson led the group of Micronesians for about 15 years and ran a Micronesian store out of his house in Goodman, said Larry Zuniga, 42, who worked with Rehobson at Wal-Mart.

The congregants used to meet at Rehobson’s house and were using the First Congregational Church for worship while they searched for a permanent home, Zuniga said.

“This is a terrible tragedy which was made worse by the fact that it happened in a peaceful place of faith and worship,” Gov. Matt Blunt said in a press release issued Sunday evening.
 
Shooting in a Missouri Church

The gunman ordered all the kids out & opened fire on the remaining adults. Sounds like there was ample time to act if anyone there had the proper tools. Another example of where restricting CCW may have contributed to a fatal shooting.
 
The gunman had two small-caliber handguns and one 9 mm semi-automatic machine pistol with a large magazine,

What in the world is a "semi-automatic machine pistol"? Was he carrying a Glock 18 with an extended mag but using it in semi mode? Sounds like the reporter doesn't know much about firearms. :rolleyes:
 
My guess is a Calico or, more likely, a Mac/Uzi. "Machine pistol" is another one of those terms just like "assault weapon" - it's really just based on looks and nothing else as far as the mainstream goes.

I can only imagine what's gonna happen if anyone ever commits a crime with an AR-10. Is it an 'assault rifle" or a "high-powered sniper rifle"? The copy editor's head will explode from sheer indecision.

Anyway. What's this we're always hearing about "why in the world would you need a gun in church?" :rolleyes: Not that it's going to stop a single one from posting no-CCW notice...
 
Church gunman targets elders

I have been trying to get approved CCW in our church and have met with the "there is no need for it here" attitude.:mad:

Its illegal for a CCW licensee to carry in a Missouri church...
Not if you have permission from the Pastor or church governing body.
Missouri law reads "churches and other areas of worship without consent"


Gun free zone = Helpless victim zone
 
police found three guns at the scene, a 9 mm handgun with an oversized magazine and two .22-caliber pistols.

Why does it seem that mass-shooters tend to gravitate toward .22's? If I remember correctly, didn't Cho use a Walther P22?
 
Maybe the church folks missed that part about while prayer is good, one is supposed to take action.
Church folks seem to only pay attention parts they want to hear and are "easy".

BGs know where the easy pickings are -like churches due to State Regs.

Now, if the Regs allow, and Churches can give Permissions to Members...

[damn that is just wrong, we broke away from England with this asking church permission being one of the Tyrannies, and now we are back to having to ask permission from a church...*??* ]


...Church Members should have the gonads to ask for permission and the head honcho of church the gonads to grant.


I betcha if one follows this- Churches do not grant permisson because of Money.
The do not want to pay for any Liability, any Insurance changes if they do grant permission.
They ask for FREE Cops in uniform to attend.


How does it go? Where two or three are gathered...

To heck with the "building" , folks meet up at private home to worship, where they can be armed and BGs won't come in, and if they do, you folks are armed.
 
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