Guppy Belly 40S&W cases, use or lose? = done

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I am in the midst of processing a 1000-lot of 1xF 40S&W cases. (First time loading 40S&W) After I sorted for head stamps I had a bunch of R-P cases, and some (17 out of 224) had glock-bulge. Ran them all through my new G-Rx die. The guppy belly is gone, but there is still a 'frown' (groove) remaining. These are being loaded for my nephew's Beretta 92, not a Glock, so my question is: Do I reload those cases or dump them? They will be mid-range loads with a PC cast bullet.
 
I am in the midst of processing a 1000-lot of 1xF 40S&W cases. (First time loading 40S&W) After I sorted for head stamps I had a bunch of R-P cases, and some (17 out of 224) had glock-bulge. Ran them all through my new G-Rx die. The guppy belly is gone, but there is still a 'frown' (groove) remaining. These are being loaded for my nephew's Beretta 92, not a Glock, so my question is: Do I reload those cases or dump them? They will be mid-range loads with a PC cast bullet.
make a dummy round with the frond and see if it cycle and plunk… ( I learned plunk from THR)
 
make a dummy round with the frond and see if it cycle and plunk… ( I learned plunk from THR)
Can't plunk, no 40S&W available. BUT I did just get an 'EGW 4-Hole Chamber Checker Max Cartridge Gauge (9mm Luger, 38 Super, 40 S&W, 45 ACP)' from Midway. I will do that. What I am really concerned about is the integrity of the brass. My cheap-side says load it up, my conservative side says dump it. So I am asking for opinions. I have lots of experience loading revolver cartridges, but just getting into auto-loader reloading.
 
I would say a midrange load in a fully supported barrel would be safe,
However,
If it's only 17 cases---------why bother with those.....
TY!
Ammo is hard to find . . . and expensive. I have the components on hand so . . .
I may find more guppy-bellies as I process the other headstamp brass, also. With a couple of other culled cases that is about 10% loss, for 1xF R-P brass. I already have a low opinion of R-P revolver brass.
 
Distinguish between 'bulged' (modest) and 'guppy' (far more pronounced with distinct unsupported area). The former get the G-Rx, the latter, trash.
They all got the G-Rx treatment, I sorted the guppy bellies to the side as I processed them because I saw they ended up with a frown remaining afterwards. The ones that did not have guppy bellies showed a slightly different burnish where there was a (possible) bulge, but no other evidence of a problem.
 
Can't plunk, no 40S&W available. BUT I did just get an 'EGW 4-Hole Chamber Checker Max Cartridge Gauge (9mm Luger, 38 Super, 40 S&W, 45 ACP)' from Midway. I will do that. What I am really concerned about is the integrity of the brass. My cheap-side says load it up, my conservative side says dump it. So I am asking for opinions. I have lots of experience loading revolver cartridges, but just getting into auto-loader reloading.
just throw away the few questionable cases, and I’m mail your cheap-side a small flat rate box of .40 range pick ups! lol

I’m serious!
 
I'm amazed people would even consider reusing a bulged case in these high pressure calibers. Over the years mfg's have strengthened the web area of the 9mm & 40s&w cases for a reason. Any time your moving that much brass back into place it will weaken that area. I've showed this photo before, these were fired from a s&w shield. I sized them just to see how bad the ring looked that gets left on the brass after "swaging" them back into shape. When you move that much material you're actually swaging/reforming not sizing. I did this to keep myself fresh on what to look for when inspecting range brass that I plan on using. Myself I toss anything with a bulge, too scratched up, has a wear ring (see picture below) at the case wall/web junction point on the sidewall of the case.
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If you've ever had it happen or witnessed when 1 of these cases gives up the ghost when in the chambered/fired You wouldn't think about reusing a bulged case ever again. I've seen it happen 3 times over the decades, 2 of them were 9mm's & 1 was an overcharged 45acp. All 3 were with all metal/metal framed firearms. 2 of them were 1911's and a star 9mm, all with fully supported chambers.

The 1st thing that happens is you drop the pistol. The mag blows out the bottom and is typically destroyed. Sometimes the mag release survives but more often then not it will need replaced. Or if your lucky re-tuned/adjusted. You dropped the pistol because the grips blow off under your fingers. Wood grips don't survive, most rubber grips don't make it either or need washers under the hold down screws to stay in place. Bolt faces & extractors get beat up and it's common to replace the extractor and tune the new one.

The real concern is your hand/hands that were lucky enough to be holds that pistol that just grenade'd over a $.05 piece of brass. You'll get that warm fuzzy feeling when a firecracker goes off in your hand at the very least. From there it could be more like a M-80, pieces of the grip sticking in your hand, metal from the mag, jagged metal in your hands/arms/body/face from the exploded case. Nor can you rule out pieces of metal off the firearm.

I'm not trying to start anything or promote doom & gloom. I've seen 1st hand what happens when cases explode in the web area in pistols when fired. It never ended well for the shooter.

I'm sure others will chime in say they've been using bulged brass for years. I wish them the best & hope nothing happens to them.

Myself, it isn't worth the cost of the brass to me, stay safe.
 
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I am in the midst of processing a 1000-lot of 1xF 40S&W cases. (First time loading 40S&W) After I sorted for head stamps I had a bunch of R-P cases, and some (17 out of 224) had glock-bulge. Ran them all through my new G-Rx die. The guppy belly is gone, but there is still a 'frown' (groove) remaining. These are being loaded for my nephew's Beretta 92, not a Glock, so my question is: Do I reload those cases or dump them? They will be mid-range loads with a PC cast bullet.
If it was for me? Sure. The risks are low-ish. For somebody else? Nope. If something went terribly wrong I’d be responsible. Not talking legal but with family, my own conscience, the nephew, everything Not worth it to me. You may have other considerations since you’re looking at the brass.
 
A peice of brass that does not fit the chamber or gage then bulge bust it. But with an obvious guppy belly not worth it in my firearms. It has been noted by me that RP brass in general is thinner walled and more susceptible to blowing out in a partially unsupported chamber.

Its the same as any damaged brass. If you have s small lube dent then no problem. If you have a crease or any sharp mark or crease like made after a neck is crushed and reopened that is a weak spot. On brass it is no go.
 
There are skinny guppies and FAT guppies!, without a picture of the OPs brass, who knows??

Way are you messing with 40 SW brass if you don't have one? It it's for your nephew then get his barrel to plunk test it.

If they look like forrest r picture above then forget it, and toss them!
 
I don't even look at my brass any more and I am certainly not going to sort if for head stamp. I running it through the tumbler and then right into the Dillon XL650 and out as loaded ammo. If it drops into and out of my chamber checker its good to go. Unless you are absolutely pushing your loads to the max and shooting them in an unsupported chamber I would not worry about a bulged or guppy belly piece of brass assuming it passes the chamber checker after being loaded. I have shot a heap of range picked up 40S&W in my time and never had an issue.
 
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The guppy belly is gone, but there is still a 'frown' (groove) remaining.

I don’t know about “guppy belly” or “frown” but I do reload lots of machinegun brass that has expanded more than any glock chamber will allow and roll size it for reuse.

I would cull for recycling any brass that had a groove in it that was not manufactured into it for an extractor.
 
If it was for me? Sure. The risks are low-ish. For somebody else? Nope. If something went terribly wrong I’d be responsible. Not talking legal but with family, my own conscience, the nephew, everything Not worth it to me. You may have other considerations since you’re looking at the brass.
I have always sorted brass by headstamp. The only loads I use mixed headstamp brass for is light 38 Special plinking rounds. This is my first time loading 40S&W so I am collecting information. Your point is well taken!
 
PM'ed merlynski. We may be neighbors. I "hoover" .40 from the local outdoor range.
Never thought to use a Hoover. I always use one of those bucket head things from homeless depot. Works good but I'll try the Hoover next time and see. ;)

Seriously, I'm new to reloading .40S&W also - but not new to reloading or to reloading rimless - so this whole Glock Bulge/Belly Buster thing is new to me, too. I just pick through my brass before it goes into the decapper and toss anything that don't look right. Been doing that for .45ACP, 9mm, .30-06, everything really, since I started. I tumble in corn first to get the dirt and smudges off and that makes inspection easier. I don't toss a lot of brass but I have been tossing more .40S&W and 9mm lately since I started seeing more badly extractor-dinged rims and torn primers. Some of the .40S&W rims look like they were chewed up by a bad dog. Don't know what does that to them but I managed to get 3K pieces of mixed HS range brass for under $100 so I can afford to be picky.
 
.40 SW is tricky to load, don’t get creative and stick to the sammi specs!

Why is it trickier than other rimless straight wall pistol cases? Maybe I got lucky. I started with 40S&W when I got my XL650 and have never has any issues. After a minor tweak to my sizing die I don't even have a problem with "Glocked" brass.
 
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Why is it trickier than other rimless straight wall pistol cases? Maybe I got lucky. I started with 40S&W when I got my XL650 and have never has any issues. After a minor tweak to my sizing dies I don't even have a problem with "Glocked" brass.
Do yourself a favor and go back and put "yet" in a couple places in that post. ;)
No sense tempting fate, right?
 
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