cassandrasdaddy
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there is another type of anti not mentioned. folks who believe, often correctly, that they would not be safe with a gun. therefore no one else would be. its a special arrogance
I agree with every part of that.I was under the impression we were discussing conversations with people in our lives, or online or what-have-you. Absolutely the anti-gun politicians need to be voted out! And I am sure we can all agree we'd like for everyone who is anti-gun to go away, but it is not necessary to maintain our freedoms. There will always be a contingent of anti's to fight against, but for now we just need the majority and to grow our ranks however we can.
Not be safe "how?"there is another type of anti not mentioned. folks who believe, often correctly, that they would not be safe with a gun. therefore no one else would be. its a special arrogance
The second are people who live/work in areas that offer relative safety. They live in an affluent community in an urban area, work in controlled environments, or live away from high crime areas. They can't relate to the use of firearms for self defense at all and the urban ones can't relate to even a need for firearms for hunting.
"Brain so full of BS there's no room for facts?" was one of my lines. Those are the people that I will beat down with the facts. Sorry, but sometimes people deserve to get totally and completely embarrassed in front of their peers. I did this once at work to an anti that was being quite vocal in the lunchroom and it was the talk of the plant for several weeks how he was "put in his place". He had previously been looked up to, or so he thought. He retired soon afterward-no loss AFAIWC.There is no point in trying to understand some people. It's like engaging a brick wall.
I was under the impression we were discussing conversations with people in our lives, or online or what-have-you.
My main point is that you still have to fight against the "Hard Core" anti's too, every chance you get. If you don't fight them, then you can't defeat them.
You don't have to convert them...you just have to beat them.
You can't do that by ignoring them and giving them virtual free range to do what ever they like.
That's all I meant.
We "are" talking about changing people's minds.I definitely agree. I thought we were talking about trying to change people's minds. I think we can agree that even if we know we won't change their minds, we will fight against their political efforts.
I have seen and heard multiple people "debating" with anti gunners all over the web. I use quotations because a debate requires both sides to be logically interactive with the arguments either side presents. We are the only ones giving facts. All we get from them is a bunch of logical fallacies, emotionalism and lies. I am not talking about your everyday person that watches too much MSM, there is hope for them and you should try to convert them. But for groups like the Brady Campaign, Mayors Against Illegal guns etc are hopelessly lost and there is no sense in even talking to them. I see debating them or even trying to have a rational discussion with them as a man screaming at rocks to become water. They are not ignorant of the facts, they live in those crime rotten cities. They know their policies don't work and never will.
Then you go ahead and understand them and have patience. My patience has worn out and all we have to show for it is the same damn elitists hauling out their crap again for congress to chew on. Patience? Not when we supposedly have the law on our side, but they have emotional immaturity from tragedies, irrational fears, and the whole of the lying mainstream media on theirs, shouting for that law to be trashed. I firmly believe that if the GOP doesn't stand firm this time, there's going to be civil unrest unlike what has ever been seen.Some of you talk about the anti's unreasoned fears, or destroying their arguments with facts or just tweaking their noses for fun. In a large number of cases, I just don't think this view is going to work and for some very good reasons like those listed above. I know it didn't work me. Understanding, Patience and a Good Example won me over. Maybe it will work for others.
I agree.Then you go ahead and understand them and have patience. My patience has worn out and all we have to show for it is the same damn elitists hauling out their crap again for congress to chew on. Patience? Not when we supposedly have the law on our side, but they have emotional immaturity from tragedies, irrational fears, and the whole of the lying mainstream media on theirs, shouting for that law to be trashed. I firmly believe that if the GOP doesn't stand firm this time, there's going to be civil unrest unlike what has ever been seen.
I dunno man.Humility is only a virtue when you're calling the shots--otherwise it tends to be counterproductive.
Civil unrest can't happen because only one side is willing to defend themselves . So long as the cops still fear having to go door to door and confiscate those evil guns from all those trigger-happy crazies out there, the ground-level guys will refuse to excercise confiscation (i.e. the brewing "sheriff's revolt" we're seeing in many states)
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