Had a lively day at the indoor range today

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I went to the range to put some rounds through my new CZ 97B, and escape the heat for a couple of hours. On my left was a group of men who looked like a 20-something who took his Dad and two Uncles shooting. On my right was another late-20’s guy who is an okkaaaayy shot but not lighting the world on fire.

During my initial warm-up session with the Mk IV a range break was called. Since you don’t see the RSO coming when in the shooting lane, the “cease-fire!” call is a bit of a surprise. After clearing and setting the gun down, I saw it was called for someone at the end running the target out too far and it popped the line that operates it. No big deal, this stuff happens occasionally.

About half an hour later I hear the other RSO working there barking at the group of men in the next lane to my left. I hear the RSO saying one of the guys had just dropped a magazine and fired a shot into the roof and the kid trying to explain what happened. Needless to say that group was sent packing. (When I left the RSO said one of the “Uncles” had popped the mag out and pulled the trigger on the gun they were shooting. I guess he missed shooting himself in the head by about six inches. :what:)

After that posse left, the guy to my right ran his target out to the end and I saw the barrel of a featureless AR-style rifle poke out past the wall as he prepped to shoot. He fires a shot while I was loading another CZ 97 magazine. He swaps magazines, readies and “Brrrapp!!” The guy’s rifle goes full auto for five rounds.

He yells “Whoah!” I step back to get away from the firing line, walk to the back wall and look over. He is standing with his arms up in disbelief. The rifle was laying on the bench. I suggested it may be a good time to unload it and put it away, and he kind of snaps out of it. He pulls the mag out, locks it open and puts it in a case. When he was done I asked if it was a 5.7, as it was louder than a .22 LR but not as loud as a .223. Sure enough, he says its an Anderson lower, a 5.7x28 upper with a new trigger he had just installed. He said he fired the single shot, then loaded a mag with 5. Obviously it needs some attention.

Two incidents, one on each side of me, in one shooting session. Honestly issues there are pretty rare, I’ve only seen one or two things in the past few years that made me shake my head. Since I dodged two things one after the other, I guess I should’ve bought a powerball ticket after this.

Stay safe.
 
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Last time at my favorite firing hole, I walk over to my assigned lane to find a pair of older (mid-60s) gentlemen using it already. I figured they had told the range attendant they would share a lane (which is cheaper) and decided to go ahead and use the "empty" one next to it anyway.
I sat down on the other side of the viewing room partition and decided to give them a few minutes before reporting them. They both had brand new 12 gauge shotguns and it quickly became apparent neither had any idea what they were doing.

One of the shottys was a pistol-grip only job and the fella holding it lined it up, one-handed, and made as if to shoot it like a pistol. The range attendant ran past me and got there just in time to get sprayed with blood when Mister 12-bore Pistolero pulled the trigger and got a mouth full of Mossberg- knocking off his glasses and dropping the gun on the floor in the process.

After securing the weapon, the RSO bundled up the wounded shooter and ushered him off to get cleaned up- but left Dudley Dunce No.2 unattended on the range......who proceeded to use his buddy's bloodied weapon as a tool to retrieve the fallen shooting glasses from the other side of the firing line where they had fallen- despite the fact that there was a brass broom clipped to the wall right in front of him! :eek::scrutiny:

I gathered up my stuff and left. Sometimes its better NOT to shoot, run away, and live to shoot another day......
 
One of the shottys was a pistol-grip only job and the fella holding it lined it up, one-handed, and made as if to shoot it like a pistol. The range attendant ran past me and got there just in time to get sprayed with blood when Mister 12-bore Pistolero pulled the trigger and got a mouth full of Mossberg- knocking off his glasses and dropping the gun on the floor in the process.

I guess someone didn't pay attention in physics class, that's a lesson I'm sure he'll not soon forget!

I'm fortunate to belong to an indoor shooting range that is extremely well monitored by RSO employees, however it only takes a second for someone to do something stupid before they can be stopped. There is a bullet hole going straight down into one of the shooting tables in a lane, I always have to shake my head when I see that, and wonder how it happened.

Fortunately the lane dividers are bullet proof up to I think level III, that's some insurance at least.
 
Well, all those holes in the ceiling didn't get there by themselves.
Another thing I see all the time, people have their full size silhouette targets set up at very close range. When they go to make a head shot on the close target, the steep angle puts the bullet right into the ceiling mid-way down range. Shows lack of knowing your target, AND what's behind it.
 
Indoor range I shoot, the RSO's have pointed out the holes in the wooden rifle benches. When the range is busy, pistol shooters will occasionally be squadded where the rifle benches are. And some of them mess up, discharging a round where your dinner plate would be. Also, the pillars that hold up the roof, even though they are not in line with any target, have lots of damage from bullets.

You just don't know how unsafe the general public is, until you listen to RSO stories.
 
I NEVER shoot at indoor ranges. Besides what has been posted, the Range Officers I have encountered a lot of the times were little Hitler's, not on safety issues, I'm all in favor of that, but giving unwanted advice or negative comments on types of firearms. "Why do you want a heavy gun like that?" ( A CZ 75b) "You should get yourself a Glock." "You're gripping that gun all wrong, here let me show you,": The last caused words to be exchanged between us. I have a home range and I can go to the Free State Ranges if I want to shoot long range. Indoor Range Fee's are $30.00 an hour and you have to buy their targets at $1.00 a piece. No thanks.
 
I have never been in an indoor range. It's a day trip to go to and come home from the nearest one. Even if there was one in the little town I live close to I doubt I would use it. There was a gun dealer that was asking people if they were interested in having one and apparently there wasn't enough to justify doing anything. Hard times got the gunshop anyway. Just another empty building sitting there now.
 
Now you guys know why I go to the desert to plink/set up steel plates. Public ranges just seem to attract shouldn't be there types. I relaize some just want to shoot and may not have much choice. I read these happenings enough to wait out the heat and head for the desert. Stay safe there Riomouse911 and go buy that lottery ticket.
 
Now you guys know why I go to the desert to plink/set up steel plates. Public ranges just seem to attract shouldn't be there types. I relaize some just want to shoot and may not have much choice. I read these happenings enough to wait out the heat and head for the desert. Stay safe there Riomouse911 and go buy that lottery ticket.
Even out in the desert the dorkus factor can strike.

I have told a story about a trio of folks who drove from LA out to Calico (outside of Barstow) and had just set up target stands right in the middle of a 4x4 road in Mule Canyon. When I crested the 8’ hill they were using as a backstop and was face to muzzle with them, I was not happy. These doofuses got an earful, especially when I had them walk to the hill and it made them realize that about 30 other people were riding their atv’s, SxS etc. in a small valley right behind their targets. Sure could have been ugly had they started peppering away with the semi-auto rifles they had brought.

About 8 years back we had a permitted/ AMA sanctioned motorcycle race in Johnson Valley with about 300 entries and another 500-odd spectators camped. In a small draw right behind the finish line a group of yahoos (who we figured out were not part of the race) had camped for the weekend. The morning of the race they had set out a bunch of cans and started shooting across the ribboned trail the riders would follow to the finish. This was the first time I’ve seen BLM LEO’s roll lights and sirens when not responding to a serious crash injury, those knuckleheads had their guns confiscated and were cited.

Ignorant people are everywhere, you just gotta be extra aware. :)

Stay safe.
 
I’m glad the full auto guy just loaded 5 rounds. From the OPs description of how he handled the 5 round burst, someone might have been hurt from a 30 round full auto mag dump.
He seemed pretty aware, he just got completely shocked when his newly-built gun turned into a bullet hose. :what: Had there been 30 in the magazine i bet it could have gone really sideways.

He snapped out of it and handled the gun properly afterwards, just embarrassed as heck.

Stay safe.
 
Only visited an indoor range once and not to shoot. Was in there a few minutes as part of my job. Seemed like a nice, well-run place but after reading many threads on indoor ranges I have no desire to shoot at one. Although unsafe stuff can occur anyplace, and I will be the first to admit that the roof over the firing line at my club's outdoor range has a few bullet holes in it. My favorite times at the range are when nobody else is there.
 
First, I do not appreciate everyone being encouraged to do their own gunsmithing, building, or whatever! Plenty of folks should stay away from tools and any work associated with them. They are going to (often times) use my club, or your range to test that gear. Uhg!!!

Regarding shooting the roof, here's the visual. Imagine a round circle or tunnel between you and the back wall or berm. The paper target is setup within that circle. It is well above the floor, well below the ceiling/ roof, and a smallish round tunnel.

The rifle or pistol leaves the rug or gun case pointed toward that smallish area. It doesn't point at your off hand, or the lane next to you or anything except straight ahead. Assuming it is dry (or live) fired, it is pointing DIRECT at the target in front/ inside that area or tunnel. When outside of a gun case, the weapon does not sweep other people, it points at the target or inches from the target.

Some people need a keeper.
 
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Anytime you get people together shooting, depending on their level of ability and safety, it can get exciting. When I had trigger work done on my Mini-14, the first few magazines were loaded with 2 rounds just in case there was a burst problem like your range neighbor experienced. Fortunately, there wasn't.

I lived in a small town north of NYC that had its own police dept. and indoor range. They allowed a club, which I joined, to use the range when the PD wasn't using it. It was open 24 hours a day via key card, I went late in the evening when it was empty. Easy to concentrate when you're alone.

Sadly, the town tore down the range to get money for putting a cell tower there.
 
I went late in the evening when it was empty. Easy to concentrate when you're alone.
I also try to go when it's likely to be empty. I've found that going when it's raining or threatening to rain is best at outdoor ranges. Sure, you and your stuff may get a little wet, but after some scary close calls I'll take being wet from rain over being wet with blood any day of the week.
 
I just got back from my local indoor range and can completely relate to all the stories this far.

I’m shooting on the pistol side of the range and to my left is a Middle Ages man and his big booty wife/GF. They were shooting a handgun with a laser at the 7 yard line. I couldn’t help but notice while they were shooting how the dot bounced around from the roof to the ground to the wall on the right and left side. I figured it was them handling their gun so I didn’t give it much thought. Then I saw a dot on the wall to my right followed by a small spark. I decided to stand back and see what the heck was going on. The male shooter was on the line and proceeded to fire off more wild shots and connected with the roof, wall and ground before shooting the target carrier off. He and his girl laughed it off and kept pulling the trigger. Little did they know there is a $50 fee for shooting the carrier.

It was then that I decided it was time to pack up and call it a day. When I was checking out I mentioned to them how unsafe the shooter was and how he short the walls, roof and carrier and they immediately sent in a RSO to talk with them.

I’m all in favor of new shooters but some think it’s just a game and don’t realize the gun in their hand can kill someone.
 
I've been helping my brother-in-law learn how to shoot a pistol. Like me, he's an old fart and while he had owned a pistol in the past he had never even fired it. We've been moving slowly stressing safety and basics with only minimal but controlled live fire. A typical range session will last about 30-40 minutes and he will fire 15 to 20 rounds total. After each series of shots (never more than three rounds) we stop and discuss where each round went and why it ended up there. He is an avid golfer though and so many of the important mechanics in a golf swing are directly applicable to shooting a handgun.

Last week we were nearly finished the day's session when a younger shooter came in with a full size plastic fantastic 9mm with what looked like a three "D" cell flashlight hanging under the barrel and an outdoor movie screen riding on top and ran a B29 target out to about 6 yards or so. Then he sent round after round, volley after volley, mag after mag kinda in the same direction.

Sure enough the five ring was peppered ...

... and the four ring

... and the three ring

... and the white paper and ...

... there were almost as many rounds on paper as off.

We finished up and he put his stuff away, swept any of his casing that were behind the line over near the collection cans and called it a day.

On the drive back to my place Tom's comment was a joy to hear.

"That was scary! He must have just bought the gun."

When I pointed out that he was a fairly regular shooter that I seen at the range quite often over the last few years his response was ...

"That's even scarier!"
 
I look back at when I started shooting and I was terrible. :( It took me WAY longer than I liked to become “good.” Unfortunately I was probably laughed at by people in the other lanes but I knew I was bad and had problems. The root of my problems was a flinch (and probably a blink most of the time). A lifetime of one mindset is hard to change but I never gave up and finally conquered the flinch. Safety was always my first priority though. If new shooters are safe, they can shotgun pattern all day. :) Unfortunately lots of new and old shooters are not as safe as they should be.
 
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I look back at when I started shooting and I was terrible. :( It took me WAY longer than I liked to become “good.” Unfortunately I was probably laughed at by people in the other lanes but I knew I was bad and had problems. The root of my problems was a flinch (and probably a blink most of the time). A lifetime of one mindset is hard to change but I never gave up and finally conquered the flinch. Safely was always my first priority though. If new shooters are safe, they can shotgun pattern all day. :) Unfortunately lots of new and old shooters are not as safe as they should be.
I still flinch, too. Drives me nuts. I know the gun isn’t going to hurt me, I know the proper mechanics and techniques to shoot well…and I still catch myself flinching occasionally.

That’s what keeps me in the land of good, but not great, shooters. :(

Stay safe.
 
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