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i called Les Baer shop a couple of days ago as i noted some failure to ejects and what i thought was double feed but in hindsight is still failure to eject where the brass is stuck with another round jammed underneath half fed into the ramp. this was with my 1.5 inch guarantee heavyweight monolith.

I've always had that problen with that gun shooting 200 gr swc which i didn't think much of as it may not have been powerful enough to cycle it fully with the stock spring. last time at the range it did it several times with 230 rn with 6.5 gr unique. the gun is several years old and must have at least a couple of thousand rds to 4000 rnds. i did run american eagle 230 gr for the first 500 rds

i called the shop and was told LB will give me a call later. the next day i was about to take my first mouthful of lunch after a 5 1/2 hour mtb ride when the man himself called. i had been dead tired and slightly sleepy after the ride so i couldn't focus and i was in a restaurant and i wasn't expecting the call at that time.i described the problem to les. yes it was reloads. yes unique is a dirty powder. yes i taper crimp ( he wants it .469), no there's no leading ( how do you know- well i clean the gun everytime i shoot it), yes the brass was reloaded multiple times( should only be used 3 times as the rim gets wider- the cheapskate in me cringed), yes the swc were probably too weak for the spring( i know that's why i didn't think it was a problem till i noted it with the 230 gr loads), detail strip it and clean the extractor hole( have yet to do that to do this to the gun), the extractor should have 4 lbs tension...how will i check that?

the bottomline, i forgot to mention that i have another LB, a premire II, that shoots the same ammo and has never had the same issues but of course i forgot to mention that. the man was a " forceful conversationalist" to say the least. not necessarily rude but forceful. he gave me several loads that work well with his guns, which i tried to memorize and put down as a memo on my phone after the call... no pen and paper)

i will detail strip it and shoot some factory to see if will happen again. i love the guns and the accuracy but you do feel like you get a dressing down when you report a problem. I'll clean the extractor hole(as in detail strip- The breechface and the extractor get brushed with each cleaning) and shoot some factory ammo again and see if it happens again.

we'll see...
 
I have several 1911's and none are ammo sensitive. Less makes his guns with close tolerances and I would not have one for serious concealed carry work. People worry about the new Bone Arms Bull Pup because it is ammo sensitive and I do not have one of those either.
 
needless to say the monolith is a range gun only. the premier 2 has never had a hiccup. neither have been detail stripped. will do the monolith and see if it takes care of it. 20180905_132302-1008x567.jpg last round in the gun with magazine still in .
 
45 acp is low pressure, and dirty enough that I clean the extractor channel every few hundred. The firing pin spring fits the channel, and cleans it pretty good. I set extractor tension by filing a slot in the rim of a case, take out the primer, and run a wire into the primer hole, tie a knot to keep it in. The wire folds down into the channel and does not touch the breech, then put the slide in a vice, or have someone hold it, and measure the tension pulling the case into the extractor with a fish scale. I do 3.5LB.
 
rskent said:
Where’s your ejector, dude?
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I really must be getting old. I think that question looks better without the dude at the end? anyway...

are you asking for a pic or are you asking me if i know where it is?

interestingly he never even brought up anything regarding the ejector in discussing the problem. i haven't measured the 2 guns ejectors side by side.
if he had called me the same day, i would have wanted to ask Mr. Baer what the length should have been? i wasn't in a gun frame of mind when he called. Baer doesn't t like his guns being worked on by other smiths which is why i always refer any issues to them . the one issue that i had before was the front sight getting loose on the premier 2. they fixed it without fuss.

anyway the point of the post was the interaction between a customer and the manufacturer. as i said "forceful".

in my work i get such interactions often . so long as it doesn't cross into plain rudeness i don't mind as much so long as the info or help is correct. even if delivered in a condescending fashion.
 
roval said:
anyway the point of the post was the interaction between a customer and the manufacturer. as i said "forceful".
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He is not known for being Mr nice guy.. Rather the complete opposite.
I've owned a few Baers but never had to call.
 
i knew the rep. i just found myself saying ok Mr Baer, will do Mr Baer etc...like a middle aged school boy. lol. i didn't even have pen and paper to jot things down while talking as i was out biking.
 
roval said:
i knew the rep. i just found myself saying ok Mr Baer, will do Mr Baer etc...like a middle aged school boy. lol. i didn't even have pen and paper to jot things down while talking as i was out biking.
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Lol, I get it. It's kinda like having Chuck Yeager tell you there's nothing wrong with your plane, you're just a bad pilot.......and still feeling like you've been paid a huge compliment because he noticed you!:):rofl:
 
Let's revisit the ejector question. That gun in the picture is locked back and the case is still being held by the extractor. Now I invite anyone here to perform this test -- lock you M1911 back and TRY to insert a case flush with the breech face so the ejector holds it in place. None of my M1911s will do that -- the ejector prevents it.

If I had to bet money, I'd bet your ejector is too short and barely kisses the case at full recoil. And a longer ejector would cure the problem.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
Let's revisit the ejector question. That gun in the picture is locked back and the case is still being held by the extractor. Now I invite anyone here to perform this test -- lock you M1911 back and TRY to insert a case flush with the breech face so the ejector holds it in place. None of my M1911s will do that -- the ejector prevents it.

If I had to bet money, I'd bet your ejector is too short and barely kisses the case at full recoil. And a longer ejector would cure the problem.
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Or, it had an extended ejector installed and it snapped off......
 
Vern Humphrey said:
Let's revisit the ejector question. That gun in the picture is locked back and the case is still being held by the extractor. Now I invite anyone here to perform this test -- lock you M1911 back and TRY to insert a case flush with the breech face so the ejector holds it in place. None of my M1911s will do that -- the ejector prevents it.

If I had to bet money, I'd bet your ejector is too short and barely kisses the case at full recoil. And a longer ejector would cure the problem.
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that's what i think but couldn't interject.
 
rskent said:
Sorry, I didn’t mean to be rude. But I have never seen a 1911 that would lock back without the ejector knocking the case out of the ejection port.
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it's all good. that is why i made the call. I'll take a pic of the ejectors side by side and post it.
 
well surprise. the ejector on the monolith actually is slightly longer at least from the base, with limitations of my caliper skills from the base .126 vs .112. it is slightly thinner .059 vs .063 for the premier 2. the one with the more pointy tip is from the monolith. both are flat at the tip. no signs of anything snapped off. 20180920_184703-800x450.jpg 20180920_184720-800x432.jpg 20180920_184458-800x450.jpg 20180920_184618-800x450.jpg 20180920_184703-800x450.jpg 20180920_184720-800x432.jpg 20180920_184458-800x450.jpg 20180920_184618-800x450.jpg
 
I have to admit, I’m confused. You clearly have more ejector than my Colt. And yet there is no way I can keep a case in the gun with the slide back. I have been trying, I just can’t do it.

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Look at the picture in Post #3. Clearly, the case is being held against the face of the breech block, and the slide is locked back. You can't do that on a normal M1911 -- the ejector would prevent it.
 
i cleaned a clean barrel with lead remover shooters choice as instructed(especially near the front of the chamber) cleaned the extractor and extractor hole as instucted( surprisingly easy and truly gunked up), shot only factory for function (winchester white box 230 gr) out of the first 10 at least 2 did this and some more with the WWB in about 30rds of factory . the gun is well lubed. i will try calling again on Monday. 20180921_124029.jpg
 
maybe the ejector is too thin. it is thinner compared to the other gun that doesn't do this
9mmepiphany said:
Send him the picture of the extractor holding the casing with the slide locked back....that just shouldn't be possible
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will do and will call also
 
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