Had to draw my weapon last night...

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GhostRider66

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Or at least, felt I needed to at the time...and did. So here's my story:

Arrived at the liquor store (Goody Goody Liquor, close to home, in a decent neighborhood) on my way home from work around 7:15PM. It was already dark and I pulled into a parking space next to the empty handicapped space with my driver's side door toward the entrace to the store (about 150 feet to the door). Directly facing my vehicle is a small, beat-up, 4-door red sedan. My vehicle lights are high enough to illuminate the interior of that vehicle and it appears empty. I shut it down, lock it up and begin to exit the vehicle and notice a large male (6'2", 220-240) appoaching from the driver's side of the small sedan around the opposite side of my vehicle and toward me\store entrance. He's on his cellphone.

Not too alarmed or anything at this point so I just walk to the store entrance with him some distance behind. Enter the store and proceed to the rum section toward the back of the store. While passing a side aisle, I notice a lady, dressed in blue, speaking into a cellphone and she glances quickly at me as I pass. I grab my purchase and head to the checkout.

At the checkout, while paying I look back into the aisles and notice the same guy from before standing one aisle over from where I was, in the middle of the aisle, speaking on the cellphone and looking directly toward me and the clerk. Pay and proceed out the door.

Don't know why at this point but I felt out of sorts walking out the door. Maybe just too many coincidences for a short while. I shift everything but my keys to my left hand. Upon reaching the door of my vehicle, I glance behind me and guy on cell phone is approx. 25' behind me :eek:, still on cellphone walking straight toward me. DISTINCTLY NOT towards his vehicle which was face to face with mine and no other cars in the way. I quickly open the door, dump my laptop, rum and keys into front seat and draw my 1911 with my right hand while turning slightly to see where he is. At this point I do not lift, aim or even overtly show the weapon but try to keep it down and to the right of me. He is now about 15' or less from me but seeing either my actions or the pistol (still not sure which), his eyes go slightly wide and he makes an almost 90 degree turn to his left and starts moving quicker to the back of his vehicle.

As I begin to get into my vehicle to bug out, before I close my door, I hear him say into the cellphone, "Hurry, hurry, let's go." and then he is in the driver's seat closing his door. A split second later, I spot the lady in blue from inside about halfway to the car. She jumps into the passenger seat and they back out very quickly and leave.

I wasn't really shaken but more in disbelief at this point. Pulled out, re-holstered pistol and drove home. Not sure if I should call police and report this non-incident, I opted to call and speak with the manager of the store. He said he would review the security tapes but also assured me that it did not sound at all innocent. I also made mention of the fact that neither of them seemed to have purchased anything while in there.

What do you all think? Did I let my paranoia get the better of me or did I possibly avoid disaster here?
 
ua did just right.....paying attention and not fluffing off input as trivial.

had you chosen to rationalize rather than react, for sure you would have been making a police report--one that you were robbed or worse; that shots were fired.
 
You did exactly correct, and good job with your incremental responses to a developing situation. I wasn't there, but I probably would have called for him to "Halt!" and if he continued to advance, drawn on him and held him at gunpoint. Going back to what you did, I might even have called police with a description. The robbers may have called police themselves on you (this actually happens).
 
I probably would have called for him to "Halt!" and if he continued to advance, drawn on him and held him at gunpoint. Going back to what you did, I might even have called police with a description. The robbers may have called police themselves on you (this actually happens).

Can't promise you anything but I'd imagine if he hadn't turned at the moment he did, I probably would have proceeded exactly as you describe. At least, I hope that I would have. It all happened incredibly fast and I was pretty much on auto-pilot. As far as calling the police, I've advocated and preached that exact same thing many times but for some reason, I didn't do it. Still questioning it in my own mind but all I remember was a) getting the hell out of Dodge - 5 minutes b) did I just overreact to some innocent situation? - 10 minutes c) what exactly do I tell the cops? A guy on a cellphone was walking in a parking lot towards me and I pullled my gun out. Technically, he committed no crime. I'm still going over that one. Not saying I was right or wrong. It was the moment and I went on instinct. But that's really hard to jive in hindsight.:banghead:
 
The cops I know say if you think its suspicious call. Let them decide if its important.
If you call and leave your name, at least you are on record. If they were setting you up and do it again, there is someone for the police to call for a description of both players.
 
He probably thought you were going back in to rob the place, IMO.

I suppose anything is possible but taken overall I really don't think it's likely. I really don't look like the type (obviously geeky dude carrying a laptop just not the likely suspect in a liquor store hold-up). He had to realize he was recognized for a threat. I would think a normal person upon seeing a gun would freeze, maybe backup a bit, stammer an excuse or something but making a 90 degree turn without missing a beat and continuing a conversation with a person on a cellphone just doesn't seem normal. Also, if he really thought that, I would imagine that the manager would have mentioned the cops dropping by due to some call from a person leaving.

Possible but I don't think likely.
 
I would think a normal person upon seeing a gun would freeze, maybe backup a bit, stammer an excuse or something but making a 90 degree turn without missing a beat and continuing a conversation with a person on a cellphone just doesn't seem normal.
Also a possibility. Better safe than sorry. :cool:
 
Ghostrider66: "I would think a normal person upon seeing a gun would freeze, maybe backup a bit, stammer an excuse or something but making a 90 degree turn without missing a beat and continuing a conversation with a person on a cellphone just doesn't seem normal."

That's your post hoc clue right there, unless he was a REALLY smooth customer and just figured he'd ought not ask you to buy him that bottle of Old Harper's after all, what with whatever business you had planned with that gat -- and he doesn't sound like he was that kind of cat, at all.

Deal enough with criminals professionally and/or have enough of these little run-ins, and you can read the traffic. That guy was after your ass. How seriously, thankfully we'll never know.

Nice job.
 
A very good website to visit is called No Nonsence Self Defence.com Go to the robbery/ fringe areas part. The behavior of people in parking lots is discussed and the guy you described was definitely trouble.
 
Way to be attentive of your surroundings. I think the smartest thing you did was not wave your 1911 around. You remained calm.
 
O my word, Ive been on full alert through this story particularly the eye glance from cell number two.

It's good it's resolved.

But leaves a bigger mystery behind. WHY they target you.
 
No, they were going after you. The woman in the store was helping him coordinate and spot. He realized he'd chosen the wrong mark after you pulled your pistol.
 
Mike the Wolf said:
No, they were going after you. The woman in the store was helping him coordinate and spot. He realized he'd chosen the wrong mark after you pulled your pistol.
Either that or they were setting up to rob the store and decided that you and your laptop looked like a better target-that would be my guess.
 
Random thoughts:

Yes, it seems they would have been interested in you. They wouldn't be robbing you, outside, and then the store would they?

If he thought you were going to rob him... well I could see him wanting to get his lady and get out of there.

People get distracted when they're on the phone, as a motorcyclist I'm well aware of that, I had a close call of the vehicular kind a couple hours ago involving a fool on his cell.

You might have been at a disadvantage, and a better target, because you were carrying the laptop. Is there perhaps some sensitive high value data on your hard drive? You don't have to answer that.

Glad you're safe.

ETA: For whatever reason, I'm always on high alert when I'm purchasing liquor, the stores here are run by the Commonwealth, but still... always seems to be some kind of strange character around.

Maybe the laptop should ride in the trunk next time you make a rum run.
 
You're alive...guess that qualifies for 9 out of a possible 10 points. I personally would have called the police and filed a report. Just glad you're alive and healthy! Keep being safe.

Doc2005
 
if he continued to advance, drawn on him and held him at gunpoint.

But, Duke of Doubt, you left out when, exactly, you would've chambered a round !!!

What if he had approached you faster and you still had the items in your left hand?

A good expensive bottle of rum is a tough thing to let go and have it shatter on the concrete while you chamber your round......

Or would you bluff your way thru with an empty chamber?

Just wonderin'.............:D

Ghostrider66, you did great ! Very nice job of situational awareness.

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Sounds like a win to me; all's well that ends well.

C'mon though; two people in the same store on cell phones to each other, not shopping, and casing you. Forget that.

Your gut served you well, indeed. I'd continue to listen to it in the future, for sure.
 
I had a similar situation situation recently... Got to trust your instincts. That is what has kept you alive and out of trouble up to this point. Considering the situation you used the right amount of "force" to diffuse the situation.
Great job

Watch out for the 51% signs BTW
 
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