Handgun Hunters: Scope or Red Dot

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I'll be buying a Ruger Super Blackhawk in 44 mag w/ a 7.5" bbl from a friend who's selling his for a good price. I'm going to set it up as a hunter, but while doing some research I'm seeing a number of hunters moving to red dots instead of scopes.

So what is your choice and why? Also, if you run a scope, are you using just a crosshair recticle or something else? I'll just be hunting paper at first but once I get a feel for it I'll be hunting deer and someday I'd like to do a hog hunt.

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I prefer a red dot for hunting. Much easier to use especially when shooting offhand.
If hunting from a stand with longer ranges and shooting from a rest a scope would be fine.
I have an Ultra Dot Match on a SRH and it has served me very well. I've taken deer at over 200 yards with it.
 
For hog hunting, I’d pick up a red dot and be merry. I’m a huge fan of scoped revolvers, but it’s easier and faster to run a red dot off hand, and hog hunting ranges aren’t so great the magnification is needed.

Trijicon RMR, Ultradot MatchDot, or Leupold VX3 are the 3 I would recommend, in that order, for hog hunting.
 
For hog hunting, I’d pick up a red dot and be merry. I’m a huge fan of scoped revolvers, but it’s easier and faster to run a red dot off hand, and hog hunting ranges aren’t so great the magnification is needed.

Trijicon RMR, Ultradot MatchDot, or Leupold VX3 are the 3 I would recommend, in that order, for hog hunting.

Thanks. I was just reading an article on the UltraDot Match Dot II with it's 4 different dots and 2 crosshair settings as well as the "on the fly" BDC built in. Seems like a good option for $220.
 
I hunt with scoped handguns, either a SRH or a T/C Contender. I use these scoped handguns where I'll have shots out to 100 yards or so. I took a nice 8-point buck this past season at 80 yards using a scoped T/C in 7-30 Waters. These scopes have crosshairs.

For thick, brushy area where 50 yards is a long shot, I usually hunt with an iron sighted Super Blackhawk. But, it's getting harder to see the front sight cleanly, so I've added a Burris Fastfire red dot.

My 7.5" SBH with the Burris Fastfire 3
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I would go with a red dot with your gun, especially when hogs are involved. I have taken several deer with a GP 100 with a ProPoint and have found that a red dot is faster for me to use than a scope. On the other hand, when you talk about long range, the scope gets the nod. I took a couple of deer with a Contender in 7mm TCU with a 2X8. It was good out to 150 yards.

If you question the speed of a red dot look at the top IPSC shooters.
 
I like a red dot out to 75yds, in wooded or brushy country or for fast work. A 2x scope for more open terrain or where shots may be 100yds or more. A red dot is fairly easy to pick up but a magnified scope takes practice to use with haste.

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For pistol, for most people
Best accuracy for a resting hold on a stationary target, in order of best to worst is: scope, red dot, sights.
Best accuracy for an off hand hold on a moving target is: red dot, sights, scope.

Sure, you can practice with a scope and make it better than other sight methods, always. But without practice, shooting at moving targets, or stationary targets while you are moving, is way harder using a scope than using a dot.
 
I've hunted with both a regular pistol scope and a red dot mounted to my handguns. There were several missed shot opportunities because the action was pretty fast and trying to get a good sight picture in a hurry with a conventional scope is darn near impossible.
I mounted a red dot on a SBH some years ago and made my most spectacular shot on a deer running flat out at about 40 yards....He presented himself perfectly broadside and I was able to really concentrate on the shot and my follow through....not trying to get the cross hairs on him. There's no doubt that luck was a major factor in that shot but I wouldn't have had a chance with anything other than open sights or the red dot.
Hog hunting will probably be mayhem.....so if you're dead set on an optical sight of some sort then the red dot is certainly the way to go IMO.
 
I have 5 pistols with scopes which I use from tree stands or blinds.
I won a red dot "scope" in a contest when they first came out. I could not get it so I could see well through it so I gave it away. I know they have improved but that first introduction to them sticks in my mind. I can't get myself to pay that much for something that didn't work for me in the past.

Instead, I went to a large peep sight or ghost ring.
 
I used a scope in the past, would likely switch to a red dot now-a-days..
 
I prefer red dots period, yet I use both. Red dot is vastly superior in low light and frankly I like to get as close as possible. The red dot is also vastly easier to quickly acquire, the scope not so much.

Ultradot L/T:

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Ultradot 30 on .500 JRH BFR using the factory scope base:

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Ultradot 30 on a BFR in .45/70:

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Ultradot 4 on my .500 JRH BFR:

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Latsly, Ultradot 30 on .500 Linebaugh BFR:

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Definitely scope. No battery and you don't have to turn it on before the shot.

Scopes and Red Dots have different strengths in different situations, but the battery life of Red Dot sights is really not much of an issue. The most efficient sights, such as Aimpoints, can be left on for years on a single battery. And some models from Primary Arms that are under $200 have nearly that much battery life. Even lower priced and less efficient models run for many days on a battery, so you can leave them on from morning until evening without much concern. I'm not saying Red Dots are the best for every situation, but battery life is not too big of an issue.
 
Scopes and Red Dots have different strengths in different situations, but the battery life of Red Dot sights is really not much of an issue. The most efficient sights, such as Aimpoints, can be left on for years on a single battery. And some models from Primary Arms that are under $200 have nearly that much battery life. Even lower priced and less efficient models run for many days on a battery, so you can leave them on from morning until evening without much concern. I'm not saying Red Dots are the best for every situation, but battery life is not too big of an issue.


Well, heck, if I used a red dot, with my luck, the battery would go dead just as the biggest buck I've ever seen walks out of the woods.

I don't like electronics, period. My wife has a $10,000 sewing machine in the shop right now, not the first time. Guess what's wrong....electronics. And, it ain't the first time. My mom had an old Whites machine, made out of IRON, all mechanical, ran for 70 years. ROFL!

I'll stick with what I like, scopes. I don't shoot at game on the run with a pistol. I always, I mean ALWAYS, shoot from a rest. I'm an ambush predator, sit on a stand with a gun rest. Longest range I might get is 100 yards, most likely is 50, but I have yet to hunt with my Contender since I got here. I might need to change that. But, I've shot deer and hog with it before and it works for me with a 2x optic.
 
I have had both, and realistically I think that both have a place in a hunting role. The first thing to consider is the platform your putting optics on. Is this an auto loader/standard revolver, a big revolver, a single shot of some sort? Next is shot range, then what critter your after.

Autoloading handguns and standard length revolvers are best at close range because the vast majority run out of energy quickly. The MOS Glock with a tiny holosight is a great example of where these guns shine. Great for close range hunting in thick woods, or as a sidearm playing second fiddle to a long gun. Realistically a good set of sights is almost as good as the expensive electronic optics, but only if you can see the sights.

Big revolvers are typically more powerful, sometimes much more powerful. They can have capability for some longer range hunting, but they can also be used for some serious stopping power similar to what was mentioned above. Pick your optic to match what you plan to do. If your going past 50ish yards you want magnification, inside 50 you want no magnification to help with quick target acquisition. 50 yards is my breaking point, it all depends on your skill, your gun, and your quarry as to where your decision lands, guys I hunt with have breaking points closer and further than mine, it’s personal preference.

The big single shots are geared for accuracy and that makes sense because if you only have one shot you want it to hit exactly where you aim. Guns like this are great platforms for pistol scopes, but be careful not to overdo it on magnification. The field of view is small and it can be tough to find what you want to aim at if you put on too large of a magnification scope. On these, fixed 2 to 4 power scopes are great. Same thing goes for big revolvers if a magnified scope is chosen.

On the scopes, handguns are less capable for extreme accuracy as opposed to long guns, so the things you see in rifles may not work in handguns. Things like BDC reticles and such are good for target shooting but for hunting they serve no functional purpose in most cases. By the time a bullet starts dropping enough to use those features the projectile has shed so much energy that it’s probably beyond its effective range. So it’s harder to shoot accurately, and it’s less powerful, so you are more likely to pull a shot from well aimed to a marginal hit with a marginal round (at that extended range) which quickly runs into the question of ethical shooting.

The red dots and holosights use batteries... always dead when you need them. No matter if they work for decades when left turned on, dead when needed. I dislike them for that sole reason, but for quick close shooting they can be a very good tool.
 
The red dots and holosights use batteries... always dead when you need them. No matter if they work for decades when left turned on, dead when needed. I dislike them for that sole reason, but for quick close shooting they can be a very good tool.

This has not been my experience. I have been using red dots on hunting revolvers for more than a decade and have NEVER had one fail when needed.
 
This has not been my experience. I have been using red dots on hunting revolvers for more than a decade and have NEVER had one fail when needed.
I have removed one from a gun just to be able to use factory sights. The thing I gravitate towards now is an illuminated crosshair scope. Kind of the better (not necessarily best) of both sides and even if there is an electronics failure, you still have crosshairs.
 
Scopes are fine for longer shots, but I like up close and personal and this is really where the red dot shines even though I've taken longish (125 yards) shots on game before. I also always carry spare batteries that are a cinch to change in a pinch. I use Ultradots almost exclusively and they are probably the toughest sites available commercially. That said, I have never experienced a failure in the field despite the abuse I have heaped upon them.
 
I have had both, and realistically I think that both have a place in a hunting role. The first thing to consider is the platform your putting optics on. Is this an auto loader/standard revolver, a big revolver, a single shot of some sort? Next is shot range, then what critter your after.

Autoloading handguns and standard length revolvers are best at close range because the vast majority run out of energy quickly. The MOS Glock with a tiny holosight is a great example of where these guns shine. Great for close range hunting in thick woods, or as a sidearm playing second fiddle to a long gun. Realistically a good set of sights is almost as good as the expensive electronic optics, but only if you can see the sights.

Big revolvers are typically more powerful, sometimes much more powerful. They can have capability for some longer range hunting, but they can also be used for some serious stopping power similar to what was mentioned above. Pick your optic to match what you plan to do. If your going past 50ish yards you want magnification, inside 50 you want no magnification to help with quick target acquisition. 50 yards is my breaking point, it all depends on your skill, your gun, and your quarry as to where your decision lands, guys I hunt with have breaking points closer and further than mine, it’s personal preference.

The big single shots are geared for accuracy and that makes sense because if you only have one shot you want it to hit exactly where you aim. Guns like this are great platforms for pistol scopes, but be careful not to overdo it on magnification. The field of view is small and it can be tough to find what you want to aim at if you put on too large of a magnification scope. On these, fixed 2 to 4 power scopes are great. Same thing goes for big revolvers if a magnified scope is chosen.

On the scopes, handguns are less capable for extreme accuracy as opposed to long guns, so the things you see in rifles may not work in handguns. Things like BDC reticles and such are good for target shooting but for hunting they serve no functional purpose in most cases. By the time a bullet starts dropping enough to use those features the projectile has shed so much energy that it’s probably beyond its effective range. So it’s harder to shoot accurately, and it’s less powerful, so you are more likely to pull a shot from well aimed to a marginal hit with a marginal round (at that extended range) which quickly runs into the question of ethical shooting.

The red dots and holosights use batteries... always dead when you need them. No matter if they work for decades when left turned on, dead when needed. I dislike them for that sole reason, but for quick close shooting they can be a very good tool.


While I agree with you on your points, I'll say that my .30-30 TC Contender will rival the accuracy of a lot of rifles. I'd take a 200 yard shot with it, though the longest I've killed a deer was 90 yards. I have a 2x scope on it, 4 mil dot scope, "taper dot reticle" to be precise. It shoots 1.5 MOA and many Contenders I've heard of could shoot 1MOA which is extreme accuracy IMHO. The game needs to STOP and you need a good rest to make these shots. I've shot game running with a rifle, but I will NOT attempt that with a handgun. The game deserves a good hit, not to die in the deep woods of a wound to the hind quarters or gut shot or something. I will not shoot game on the run with a pistol or revolver, totally unethical IMHO. Rifles are much easier to swing and hit with and a shotgun, of course, is made for that.

My hunting is in a box blind or a tree stand. Walking in these woods and expecting to kill a deer is futility. I did it once, though, had a number 4 steel in one barrel of my 20 gauge, a 3 buck in the other, was sneaking up on ducks on the tank when I saw a deer at 30 yards standing there staring at me. So, I pulled the 3 buck on his front and 3 pellets hit him in the head, went down without hesitation. That was a target of opportunity, but other than I'd been better off with my old 12 gauge SxS, I think I had the right gun at the time. That little 20 gauge Spartan coach gun is my woods walking gun. It's taken rabbit on the run, squirrel, ducks, and deer. So far, I haven't walked up on a hog, yet. Well, I did one day, but couldn't get a shot on it. That deer wasn't running, could have taken him running with the shotgun. If I'd only had a pistol, I'd been at a huge disadvantage and I've won many local action pistol competitions with my .45 and .38/.357 revolvers. I'm better than average as a pistol shot.
 
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