Handgun in the BOB - do you leave it there? With kids in the house?

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OK, so we all know we need some sort of BOB. Do you leave a handgun in there, in case you really have to make a run foor it and don't have time to chase it around? Or do you just have one prepped for the BOB, but locked in the safe, meaning you might not have it if you store the BOB in the car?

What about kids in the house? I feel mighty uncomfortable leaving a handgun in house, but I might if the magazine was out and a trigger lock was installed. I with there were some sort of locking chainmail bag so I could just leave the pistol in there.

I know, I should always have a handgun on me, but I teach at a university, so that is out.
 
Hmmm...

Speed is the essence of a bugout bag. Having a trigger lock on the gun might render it useless if it gets separated from the key, which has to be regarded as entirely possible in a serious gotta-run-right-f'ing-now situation.

I guess what I'd do is pack your bag up and toss it in a gun safe where it will be in such close proximity to your handgun that you grab the bag, grab your handgun and a few magazines and place them on your person, and you're gone.

This way nobody is ever in possession of your handgun but you, your bag is in a safe place where you know exactly where it is, and the location of the bag also serves as a reminder to you to make sure you bring your defense weapon, which will be unlocked and ready to roll the second you charge it with a magazine.
 
It's better to gun-proof your kids than to kid-proof your guns. There ain't no such thing as kid-proof.
 
It's better to gun-proof your kids than to kid-proof your guns. There ain't no such thing as kid-proof

Agreed.

However I still believe a firearm should be on you or "secured". You never know who might come into your house unexpectedly.

NukemJim
 
You You might want to consider making modular BOB's.

The bag you want for, I don't know… Say a burning chemical rail-car that clears out your neighborhood for 24 hours, while you all sit in the high school gym, is not the bag you want for "Katrina", or the bag you want for "Mad Max"/"The Day After" etc.

I would put any weapons into the module where the level of emergency warrants it, or even a "weapons module" of un-PC items that could cause you grief in a smaller scale disaster that you can secure more easily from the other survival items.

Each module has a progressively higher threat level, and a greater time/distance before you're in a region where law/order and relief exists, the lowest level being just a day or two, with highest level being indefinite/never. And as the time and the "threat" increases, the worry over legal consequences and securing firearms or weapons properly begins to fade in the face of the danger of not having them.

If you live in a normal "nice" area with nice, normal people, sitting for 1-2 days in a shelter, that handgun is probably a liability, if not at least just a extra needless worry over it being discovered. If it's a matter of days or weeks with looting, the situation is reversed, NOT having that handgun is the liability.

The "neighborhood disaster"/3-day bag is probably best filled with clothes, underwear, insurance papers, cash, toiletries, prescription meds, etc. I'd leave most food, shelter, and first-aid items out of it. It's wasted space and weight. I would probably even include a radio, (more for entertainment than news) playing cards, a book, things to pass the time. Assuming your community is better than the human flotsam and jetsam of New Orleans you can safely rely on the presence of food, shelter, and medical items from friends, family or the surrounding community.

Or even less dramatic, you'll just be sleeping on friends and relatives couches for a few days, or a hotel, before going home. If you've got a CCW, bring your gun on your person as you would daily anyway, just realize you might be sheltered in a prohibited place like a hospital, a school, or even federal property. If you don't have CCW, I don't foresee that things are more dangerous from a crime standpoint than any other day.

The "city-wide disaster"/1-week bag is where you want to look into things like food, water or water purification items, first-aid, fire starting, heat, cooking, and shelter items. This is the level where a weapon starts to make the most sense (above and beyond daily CCW if you have it.). There's still the entire state and region you can rely on for assistance, but it will likely take a few days to get going because of the magnitude of getting assistance and law/order to the entire region. Mild to moderate looting, and crimes of opportunity are more likely.

The "state-wide disaster"/1-month bag is what you'd want for a Katrina-level disaster. It's not too different than the 1 week bag, other than the duration, and you want to emphasize more on the food/shelter/water/fire/first-aid items. Extended looting and unrest makes a long-arm a good idea at this level.

The "Global/National SHTF" "forever" bag? I can't help you there. I have no idea. I doubt it's possible without massive training, and after that, you'll know what to pack better than I. IMO, your only real chance is to "bug in" and live in the right place beforehand. You need an amount of supplies and food you can't conceivably carry, probably even in a vehicle.

You can address the modularity by packing the bags for each additional level. Some of the military-style bags like Maxpedition or Blackhawk type brands, and even some of the camping/hiking ones have additional bags and modules you can strap together in any configuration you might want. Many of these systems have a smaller detachable small backpack or waist-pack that would serve well as the lower level pack, or you can just figure out modules out of the bags you have on hand.
 
I have an old paintball (JT Brand) bag that looks like a bookbag, but is far more similar to a hiking backpack than anything, that stays in the truck of my car unless im doing maintence (to the bag).

Water, MRE's, matches, map, compass, spaceblankets, Norinco 1911 with 4 spare mags (2 jhp, 2fmj), and one in the gun/none in the chamber of jhp.
 
It's better to gun-proof your kids than to kid-proof your guns. There ain't no such thing as kid-proof.
Easy to say - but tough to do with toddlers. They really don't have the neurological development to have the kind of impulse control that you want when gun-proofing them. On the other hand, they are unlikely to insert the magazine and rack the slide, and then pick the trigger lock.
 
Easy to say - but tough to do with toddlers. They really don't have the neurological development to have the kind of impulse control that you want when gun-proofing them. On the other hand, they are unlikely to insert the magazine and rack the slide, and then pick the trigger lock.

Exactly. At ages young enough that kids can't be taught to respect guns, the vast majority of kids won't have the hand or arm strength to load most guns. Though that's no excuse to leave them lying around. A quick-access safe (maybe hidden) next to where the BOB is kept is probably the best compromise.
 
It's better to gun-proof your kids than to kid-proof your guns. There ain't no such thing as kid-proof.
+ 1
I've been arround guns and shooting since i could stand, and i firmly believe that the best way to prevent gun accidents is to teach kids from a young age how to treat guns.
 
I don't have a BOB.

I've got a wife! There's always a pistol in the truck. There's always one in the kitchen. There's always one in the bedroom. My teen and pre-teen boys shoot with me often so they respect firearms. All of them! The rest of the guns are in the safe, and most of the ammo is locked up too. The guns were in the house long before they were born, and they didn't go away for a vacation. I taught them to respect all things at an early age. They never touched without permission. (Still don't) But I didn't keep things from them, hence no big curiosity factor. Now, guns to them are the same as a baseball bat and glove. Used for specific purposes. That's it.

Somebody said it.. 'Don't live where you need a BOB'. Sorry, that's plain as day to me. I don't live in Tornado alley. I don't live where Hurricane 'woke-up-on-the-wrong-side-of-the-bed' can crush all that I've ever accumulated and love. I don't live in a high frequency earth quake area. (OK, there's a Volcano within a couple hundred miles. And a dormant one nearly in the back yard.) But they erupt every ten thousand years, not like thunderstorms spawn funnel clouds on a daily basis. It don't get 40 friggin below in the winter, and it don't get 105 with the same humidity in the summer. I chose my place to live because the odds of survival are greatest. Some of you might consider moving from places where you need a 'BOB'.

Not having a BOB, I do have a well, fuel on hand for the generator, a camp trailer that's stocked pretty much year round with food stuffs. It sits about a hundred feet from the house, so if'n the house burns down, we'll live in the trailer like you southern folk and wait for a tornado... (just a joke ;)) I don't live in a flood plain either. No mountain is going to slide down on our home... There's a few latino's in the farming community, but I won't call'm gangs. A Tsunami would have to travel 20 miles up stream to get to our small town, still living well above the river, I have nothing to worry about. Although we're close to British Columbia, I'm not worried about an invasion. (B'tween me and the neighbors, I think we can take'm anyway).

So there ya have it. Now think, why do you need a BOB?


-Steve
 
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+1 on modular-izing.

My wife and I do this with our outdoor gear. Hiking stuff, snowboard stuff, backpacking stuff, shooting stuff, fishing gear, outdoor ktichen, lounging, fire starter and so on. As avid outdoor people, it all overlaps and gets used so much that my wife and I have the essentials tucked away in a house corner. We can toss together an outing in minutes, and frequently do. Even less if it's the right flippin now scenario. I bet I could fill the car with everything we need in about 1 minute if it got that serious, two if I'm alone.

We have those cheapo storage boxes with the integral tops. You can fill those quick, get out fast, organize later. Or keep one full of essentials, grab others if there's time.

We called it a spontaneous camping kit. As for a true bug out, I would say we lack cash to make anonymous purchases for gas, food and lodging to distance ourselves from possible foes. Ya know, stay in a seedy motel under aliases. Organize and move. Bugging out like that, I'm not sure I'd sleep for days, I'd be too on guard. Don't you think many of you would be the same?

Lucky for me, I live in the PNW, bugging out would be quite easy in the coast or cascade range. I could disappear for a month in about two hours if absolutely required. But really, how many of you have really had to ever bug out? Me, I left for a weekend to Eastern Oregon once because my wife and I were not getting along in a big way. I filled the truck in about 5 minutes and ended up taking at least 3 times what I needed. Other than one incident like that in fifteen years, (there was no imminent danger) it's always been a team of two racing to get outdoors, away from the house, in the woods, by some water, as fast a we can.... so we could probably pull it off ultra quick....for we have no children.

jeepmor
 
yeh but keep in mind differente people may "BO" for differnnte reasons. For example you apparently feel BingO wuold happen in resonponse to a person attack, whereas I feel that the most likely hing to happen here in SoCal would be an earthquake.

So your BOB would have to take into account why you're gong and all sorts of other things. But I definitinely do agree that without cash a BOB ain't goning to help you much!
 
When I keep a BOB in the car I do not keep a gun in it. In MD that would be illegal. I do keep things like a day or two worth of non-perishable food and some H2O, a basic first aid kit, a flashlight (actually, the always flashlight is on my keychain), and a blanket. As for weapons I try to keep a knife in the car, and I plan to add a small camp sized axe.

For the home BOB I add a few items, like a handgun (though I'd probably try to grab one of my HD pistols and carry IWB instead- depending upon the bug out situation I might choose to ignore MD's carry laws during the trip out).

As for what kind of disasters would I expect...it isn't about what I expect, anything can happen and it is good to be prepared.

I live in a pretty safe suburban town. That doesn't mean that the large immigrant population, or some other group, won't riot in the future. For a larger scale social disturbance it is possible (though highly unlikely since even large scale riots don't usually work that way) that we could see mobs from DC or Baltimore travel along I-95 and stop here. For riots I'd bug in with the shotgun.

I live in an area with pretty mild winters. Still, every few years we can have a small blizzard. Another bug in situation, but it is good to have some non-perishables that can last for most of a week for such a situation.

Hurricanes are rare here. However, like everywhere else on the East Coast, they can hit us. Have a BOB, a tent or plan for shelter, a shotgun, etc. ready.

We can have nasty summers, but the infrastructure is pretty decent around here so brown outs and black outs are rare. Still, you never know and it is good to be prepared (non-perishables, flashlights and a battery powered radio, plenty of batteries and a means for self-defense).

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because you live in a safe area doesn't mean that something won't happen.

What about kids in the house? I feel mighty uncomfortable leaving a handgun in house,
Sounds like that might be a good application for one of the handguns that have a built-in lock. Keep the key on your keychain so you don't have to worry about finding it. The next option is a quick access safe next to your BOB.
 
Just saw this - might be a good way to lock triggers without worrying about keys. At least, it will keep little kids from getting into trouble - it wouldn't stop anyone over 12 with an hour or so to spin the dials.
http://www.gunaccessories.com/CCL/index.asp
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Gun Lock

With many guns just putting a lock behind the trigger, between the trigger and guard, will physically block the trigger from being pulled.

Master Lock makes a lock available at Home Depot etc. with 4 tumblers on the bottom. Best thing is that you can set your own combination. It comes with a small key, but the key is just for setting the combination (which can only be done with the lock in the open position). So, you could buy one for each firearm but only have to remember one combination.

Since it's a regular padlock you can use it for other lock needs when it's not on a firearm. I don't remember the price, but under $20 IIRC. They have a brass colored body and silver colored shackle.

Edited to add: http://masterlock.com/cgi-bin/class_search.pl?class_id=B191
They call them "resettable brass padlocks"
 
It's true... you don't have to worry about hurricanes...

Jackofalltrades said:
I chose my place to live because the odds of survival are greatest. Some of you might consider moving from places where you need a 'BOB'.

that's true, but in Lynden you have to worry about a greater fear than all of that..... THE DUTCH! :D

Happy Holland-days!

HG

P.S. I live in Everson.
 
Kid's Education...

Educating your kids about firearms, to me, seems like it goes without saying around here. You should obviously be doing that, but there are limiting factors to that, and there's also the fact that in an emergency, people panic, especially kids, whom I think are much more likely to forget their firearms education than an adult is.

So yes, educate your kids, but don't let that be the be-all, end-all of the situation. You might want to be keeping your weapons in a secure location anyway to ensure they aren't stolen while everyone is away, which I think is 1 more point for the gun safe.

I also think that in a bug out situation, your weapon should be immediately available to you, ie on your person like you're carrying. If its in the bag, that's that much more trouble you have to deal with before its ready to roll.

So the gun goes straight on you, grab your bag out of the safe, while you're in there, and you're gone.
 
RyanM

nailed it with saying that its better to gun proof your kids, than to kid proof your guns.
In my family, there have been guns behind doors, in closets and dresser drawers for over 250 years. Not a single gun accident.
My Dad would not let us play with cap guns, but he would let us shoot his real guns any time we wanted. All we had to do was ask. To touch them without asking just was not something we would have considered.
Its all in how you raise your children.
 
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