has anyone seen this?
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rcmodel
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No, I haven't actually seen one.
But I can speculate:
Cartridges headspace on the case mouth, just as they do in an auto-pistol.
When a round is loaded into the chamber, a spring in the extractor star engages the cartridge's ejector groove. When the cylinder is opened and the ejector rod operated, it extracts and ejects the fired cases.
Very much like the old S&W 547 9mm extractor design, only enough differant to avoid patent problems, I would imagine.
rcmodel
But I can speculate:
Cartridges headspace on the case mouth, just as they do in an auto-pistol.
When a round is loaded into the chamber, a spring in the extractor star engages the cartridge's ejector groove. When the cylinder is opened and the ejector rod operated, it extracts and ejects the fired cases.
Very much like the old S&W 547 9mm extractor design, only enough differant to avoid patent problems, I would imagine.
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I find it very interesting. I called Charter Arms toward the end of the summer to ask them what the chances of getting a 9mm snubby made were and was told no way. They were way too busy keeping up with current orders and the pink pistol was backed up on orders. I just called again and was told that this is still in the prototype stage and won't be available until at least the end of Feb. However, I think they'll be very popular, especially the .40. I just had a scandium j-frame converted to 9mm and I'm sure there are plenty of other cops out there that would like a revolver BUG chambered in the same caliber as their duty weapon.
Kind of Blued
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What's wrong with moon clips?
MikePGS
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Gah I might have to get one of those. Too bad its a charter arms 
SaMx
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yeah, I'm sure most people would prefer to see S&W or Ruger written on the side of that gun, but I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt.
I'm not sure it headspaces on the case mouth, because they mention the 9mm version working with .380 ACP.
If it works well I'd like to see a larger version in 10mm, that can also shoot .40, and maybe even a version in 9x23, that can shoot the whole 9mm family, down to .380.
I'm not sure it headspaces on the case mouth, because they mention the 9mm version working with .380 ACP.
If it works well I'd like to see a larger version in 10mm, that can also shoot .40, and maybe even a version in 9x23, that can shoot the whole 9mm family, down to .380.
rcmodel
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Regardless of how it headspaces, that ought to result in some mighty big bulged cases.
The .380 case is .374" dia, and the 9mm Luger is .393".
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SaMx
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really, I was under the impression that the only difference was a shorter case/lower pressure.
rcmodel
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Really!
The .380 ACP is a nearly straight case, .373" at the mouth and .374" at the base.
The 9mm Luger is tapered and is .380" at the mouth and .393" at the base.
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The .380 ACP is a nearly straight case, .373" at the mouth and .374" at the base.
The 9mm Luger is tapered and is .380" at the mouth and .393" at the base.
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rdrancher
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Followed their link to ammo ammoland http://www.ammoland.com/archives/330-Charter-Arms-New-Revolutionary-Rimless-Revolver.html. Says the 9mm will be 12 oz. and the .40 and .45 are Bulldogs (21 oz+or-).
Interesting...
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Interesting...
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Hawk
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The notion of the .380 / 9mm sounds pretty funky but isn't unheard of.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/sports/1277301.html
Now I'm wondering how the Medusa pulled it off. Perhaps the .380 does expand and it's simply thrown away or gives the resize die a little extra workout. I can't picture it being good for case life but they're probably not thinking of reloaders in the context of .380 anyway.
Of course, a sloppy press release can't be ruled out. Perhaps they felt 10mm was a little too stout for a snubby but I find it interesting that they don't show the .40S&W revolver as capable of 10mm in the same manner as the S&W 610. They've left the easy "extra round" on the table and tackled what has previously been Medusa territory.
Ruger has a patent on an extractor for rimless - I don't know how many of the Security Six series were made that way - maybe 8. Then there's the S&W 940 and Taurus had a 9mm snub - might still have it for all I know.
So, If S&W's clipless and clipped and Ruger's clipless and clipped and Taurus' clipped 9s didn't sell, I wonder why anyone thinks this will. After the 11 people that have expressed interest in the concept on the internet buy one, what are the odds CDNN winds up the balance?
But stranger things have happened I suppose.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/sports/1277301.html
Now I'm wondering how the Medusa pulled it off. Perhaps the .380 does expand and it's simply thrown away or gives the resize die a little extra workout. I can't picture it being good for case life but they're probably not thinking of reloaders in the context of .380 anyway.
Of course, a sloppy press release can't be ruled out. Perhaps they felt 10mm was a little too stout for a snubby but I find it interesting that they don't show the .40S&W revolver as capable of 10mm in the same manner as the S&W 610. They've left the easy "extra round" on the table and tackled what has previously been Medusa territory.
Ruger has a patent on an extractor for rimless - I don't know how many of the Security Six series were made that way - maybe 8. Then there's the S&W 940 and Taurus had a 9mm snub - might still have it for all I know.
So, If S&W's clipless and clipped and Ruger's clipless and clipped and Taurus' clipped 9s didn't sell, I wonder why anyone thinks this will. After the 11 people that have expressed interest in the concept on the internet buy one, what are the odds CDNN winds up the balance?
But stranger things have happened I suppose.
MikePGS
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Since revolvers are better at handling various types of ammunition, would it make sense for manufacturers to introduce "revolver only" loads?
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