Hate to beat a dead horse(another Servicios & Aventuras SPP post)

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After expounding on my very positive experience with S&A primers I feel I should relate my last range trip results with S&A SPP. Six out of 50 38spl rounds FTF on the first strike. Three fired after two or three additional strikes. Three never did fire after several strikes and will be pulled. FTF primers had deep indentations and all were seated below flush with case head. I suspected the revolver as I hadn't run any S&A through it before. Yesterday at the range I shot 150 rounds of 38spl primed with Winn SPP using the same revolver & powder. All went bang the first time and all had deep primer dents. I'll still buy S&A for range shooting if I can get them cheap but for close to the same money I'll use something else.
 
stonebuster said:
After expounding on my very positive experience with S&A primers I feel I should relate my last range trip results with S&A SPP. Six out of 50 38spl rounds FTF on the first strike. Three fired after two or three additional strikes. Three never did fire after several strikes and will be pulled. FTF primers had deep indentations and all were seated below flush with case head. I suspected the revolver as I hadn't run any S&A through it before. Yesterday at the range I shot 150 rounds of 38spl primed with Winn SPP using the same revolver & powder. All went bang the first time and all had deep primer dents. I'll still buy S&A for range shooting if I can get them cheap but for close to the same money I'll use something else.
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Have you had these results verified by @Soonerpesek ? Isn't he the factory rep:)
 
stonebuster said:
After expounding on my very positive experience with S&A primers I feel I should relate my last range trip results with S&A SPP. Six out of 50 38spl rounds FTF on the first strike. Three fired after two or three additional strikes. Three never did fire after several strikes and will be pulled. FTF primers had deep indentations and all were seated below flush with case head. I suspected the revolver as I hadn't run any S&A through it before. Yesterday at the range I shot 150 rounds of 38spl primed with Winn SPP using the same revolver & powder. All went bang the first time and all had deep primer dents. I'll still buy S&A for range shooting if I can get them cheap but for close to the same money I'll use something else.
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I have limited their use to my single action revolvers. On the plus side, that means I don’t have to use my softer cupped primers better suited to double actions and self-loaders for the single actions. On the other plus side, I shoot a lot of single action revolvers and a bunch of them are SPP cartridges. 😁

TS/CR: WFM. YMMV. 😉
 
Please stay away from the SA primers, so the price will go down. I have had more CCI's fail this year than any other primer. Your mileage may very :)

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Measure the cup thickness on a few and see if they’re thicker than other brands?
 
dannyd said:
Please stay away from the SA primers, so the price will go down. I have had more CCI's fail this year than any other primer. Your mileage may very :)

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The real story here (or question actually) is you’ve shot over 200K rounds in a year? One every two and a half minutes?
 
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stonebuster said:
After expounding on my very positive experience with S&A primers I feel I should relate my last range trip results with S&A SPP. Six out of 50 38spl rounds FTF on the first strike. Three fired after two or three additional strikes. Three never did fire after several strikes and will be pulled. FTF primers had deep indentations and all were seated below flush with case head. I suspected the revolver as I hadn't run any S&A through it before. Yesterday at the range I shot 150 rounds of 38spl primed with Winn SPP using the same revolver & powder. All went bang the first time and all had deep primer dents. I'll still buy S&A for range shooting if I can get them cheap but for close to the same money I'll use something else.
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Have you tried hand seating them very hard? that was the only thing that worked for my Fiocchi primers.
 
stonebuster said:
Yup, I'm aware of not seating these deeply enough. I prime single stage on a Lee Classic turret press & adjusted until I started putting dents in the primers, then backed off a bit. That's not to say putting them into the primer arm by hand I couldn't have inadvertently unscrewed the adjustment a little causing not seating deeply enough.Up until lately I had good luck with them.
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Ok… let’s go in reverse… maybe seating too deep and hammer is getting light strikes?
 
This really is a dead horse. Lots of threads already here and every other forum. Plenty of speculation as to why reloaders have problems with them. People either have no problems with them or nothing but problems with them. I have yet to see a long thread with nothing but accolades for them, but 99% of the long threads about them are about the problems sprinkled with a few positive stories.
 
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There's always two options; people who use the products and give their experience. People who don't use the product and give their guess. :)
 
I have seen hundreds of opinions good and bad about these primers on several forums it kind of baffles me I have used 10000 of them and yes I have had a few FTF’s but just with one gun but that gun gives me issues with American primers also . I have revolvers, 1911’s and polymer guns and just don’t have the issues I read about on these forums with SA primers I will keep using them especially when I can buy them on sale for a little over $50.00 a 1000.
 
stonebuster said:
Don't think it's possible to seat too deep. Once it bottoms out it's fully seated properly. Not fully seated the primers move away from the hammer when struck resulting in FTF.
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let dive deep! Use the same process with a different primer brand! see if it’s your gun or the primer
 
rperyam said:
This really is a dead horse. Lots of threads already here and every other forum. Plenty of speculation as to why reloaders have problems with them. People either have no problems with them or nothing but problems with them. I have yet to see a long thread with nothing but accolades for them, but 99% of the long threads about them are about the problems sprinkled with a few positive stories.
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I bought a brick just so I could see for myself what the problem was. I loaded 400 rounds of .38Spl using the same practices and equipment as I have used for every other primer type and brand. I used a selection of revolvers with a variety of known and quantified hammer strikes - one with a weak spring, one fast but not heavy, one heavy but not fast, and one single action with a frame mounted firing pin. The weak spring has trouble with CCI 500’s and had trouble with SyA. About the same, really. The fast but light hammer revolver (Taurus 85) had one FTF and the rest had no problem.

When I’m loading batches I seat firmly using a Frankford Arsenal hand prime. When I’m only seating singles in a small group (less than two dozen) I seat firmly using a Lee RamPrime.

Whatever the tools being used, I seat until the primer ram leaves an indent (crush ring) in the primer cup. That’s how I set my depth.
 
stonebuster said:
Yup, I'm aware of not seating these deeply enough. I prime single stage on a Lee Classic turret press & adjusted until I started putting dents in the primers, then backed off a bit. That's not to say putting them into the primer arm by hand I couldn't have inadvertently unscrewed the adjustment a little causing not seating deeply enough.Up until lately I had good luck with them.
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What little adjustment thing?

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rperyam said:
This really is a dead horse. Lots of threads already here and every other forum. Plenty of speculation as to why reloaders have problems with them. People either have no problems with them or nothing but problems with them. I have yet to see a long thread with nothing but accolades for them, but 99% of the long threads about them are about the problems sprinkled with a few positive stories.
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People being people like to complain. Back in the day many stores had complaint departments and the signs said so. Didn't have compliment departments. Folks expect things to work and when they do they go about their lives. Or head to the range.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
If only I had been born with sufficient insight I could have started my lifetime shot count when I pulled my first trigger! I was such a foolish eight year old! 😞
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Me too:)

As the story goes, but I don't actually remember, my Dad took me and my brother to a farm in the VA countryside and let us shoot his service revolver (some type of S&W). Probably tenish.

What I do remember several years later was a family picnic & open house at Quantico (back in mid 60s) when the FBI was a simple agency and not today's paramilitary behemoth) and we shot at the range. That was the coolest of the cool. One shot at a time in a revolver. And I have no earthly clue how many shots. Only a couple probably. Did have demos of the Tommygun but no shots for the kids.

I still don't count.
 
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