Hawaii Seeks Confiscation of Certain Semi Auto Rifles

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new york senate has a republican majority, they could have stopped the current mag restrictions but didnt, thats not what the people of that state wanted or they would have elected different folks.
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You honestly think the people of the state wanted their elected officials to pass a half baked bill in the middle of the night and toss the democratic process out the window with no vetting, discussion, etc. ?
 
Texan Scott said:
I often refer to the non-Texas states collectively as the "upper 49". It has been brought to my attention more than once that Hawaii is actually further south; all I can say is that I don't think of them as being to our south so much as they are to our LEFT. WAY to the left.
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Yet open carry is illegal. This continues to baffle me.

Do note that a lot of those states north of Texas have vastly superior carry laws. ;)
 
Tom488 said:
I am constantly amazed how some 2A supporters will turn on their brothers and sisters. By your logic, the US having now voted for BHO twice, deserves what it gets too, right? I thought the whole concept of "inalienable rights" and guarantees by the BOR were to specifically PREVENT the majority from depriving the minority of said rights? Yet here you are, cheering that fellow Americans are facing the possible confiscation of their lawfully-owned property, and violation of their rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

I truly don't get it....
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I don't think that gun owners in the South, West and the Pacific Northwest are 'turning' on other gun owners. It's just that the majority of proposed gun control legislation and anti-gun attitudes in general come from blue states and that legislation effects us too if enacted on the Federal level. Those attitudes that are repeated over and over again on the nightly news effects us to, luckily more and more people are catching onto their game and are seeing it for what it is.

So to some degree since the majority of the population in the East, northern Midwest, California and Hawaii seem to want draconian gun-control some in the pro-2A camp have the attitude of...'Fine, if that's what they want then give it to them' because most of us know that both crime and violent crime will sky rocket the way it did in Australia and the UK after their gun bans. Basically to let the anti-freedom crowd get exactly what they asked for and let them stew in it for awhile.

Second Amendment supporters who are living in those blue states don't deserve this. For the most part as they generally voted the right way, organized, did what they could and they're just outnumbered by the bleating sheep in those states.

It sucks, but they're caught in the middle. I wish them the best, but I don't feel the same way for the people who live around them who don't care about their rights.

Maybe this will explain some of the comments you've been seeing. Like it or not, that's where it's coming from.
 
Being from a anti-gun state sure does suck, I'm from New Yorkistan, I know!

I b!tch at my parents all the time about two things-
1) Not being millionaires.
2) Not living in a more gun friendly state.

Number 2 is by far a bigger issue for me though!

I guess my wife and I will have to be the ones that break the New Yorkistan cycle and get out of here. Hopefully soon.

NYH1!
 
I often refer to the non-Texas states collectively as the "upper 49". It has been brought to my attention more than once that Hawaii is actually further south; all I can say is that I don't think of them as being to our south so much as they are to our LEFT. WAY to the left.



Umm yea, sure hope your not including Alaska in your upper 49 stats, AK has some of the best state gun laws in our country and is one of only 2 states that dont even require a CCL.
 
I agree that it isn't right to say all New Yorkers or Hawaiians or residents of Connecticut deserve to be abandoned.

The Constitution enumerates rights that pre-exist it or any form of government. The right to self defense is one of those rights.
Even in Hawaii.
 
Spam is good to eat, in moderation. Try it, you'll like it!

The folks who talk about the importance of voting the right way offer good advice. Keep track of your politicians and vote wisely.

Those that feel our pain and wish all the best exemplify the Aloha spirit. You're all an inspiration to those who need the support.

You all are the best friends one could hope to have in these troubled times. Keep your powder dry and God bless.
 
Yet open carry is illegal. This continues to baffle me.

Do note that a lot of those states north of Texas have vastly superior carry laws.
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And that's why I want to move to Arizona considering they have better gun laws.
 
Browning said:
So to some degree since the majority of the population in the East, northern Midwest, California and Hawaii seem to want draconian gun-control some in the pro-2A camp have the attitude of...'Fine, if that's what they want then give it to them' because most of us know that both crime and violent crime will sky rocket the way it did in Australia and the UK after their gun bans. Basically to let the anti-freedom crowd get exactly what they asked for and let them stew in it for awhile.
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I know this is not your personal POV, but such a belief is astounding. While there might be some truth in it, rarely are rights and liberties returned after they are taken away, especially one that is 'dangerous' like RKBA.

A future increase in crime will be seen as reason for more draconian crackdowns on some other freedom...it will most assuredly not result in the return of previously-stifled liberties.
 
I'm still waiting for the type of person that comes in and follows up the idea of "you get what you voted for" with, "If you don't like Hawaii's laws, move out of there" . How many of you moved out of the USA and ridiculed the USA when we passed the 1994 AWB or 1968 GCA? I mean...you deserved what you voted in, right?
 
JERRY said:
elections have consequences...
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So I guess if Obama pushes through gun control it is just as much your fault as anyone elses...because "elections have consequences"


This conitual talk about the gun owners in New York getting what they deserve is PURE TRIPE.

There is only so much voting and politicing that can be done. If you can't get people on your side into office, that does not mean that you didn't try. Look how long it took to get Jim Crow laws cast out...and that was just because people in the government actually saw what a travesty they were and wanted to make sure the majority didn't steal the rights of the minority.

To compare New York's newest gun laws to slander is also completely off base....
 
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Hacker15E said:
I know this is not your personal POV, but such a belief is astounding. While there might be some truth in it, rarely are rights and liberties returned after they are taken away, especially one that is 'dangerous' like RKBA.
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Of course. Freedom is usually won with blood and sweat and given away on a whim for the promise of increased security.

That's why I hope that people from NY take this fight to the door steps of the politicians who voted for this crap.

A future increase in crime will be seen as reason for more draconian crackdowns on some other freedom...it will most assuredly not result in the return of previously-stifled liberties.
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Yeah, I know. After this search and seizure laws will be screwed with and the people of NY won't be secure from random stop and frisk searches and gun confiscation. After that they'll change the 1st Amendment so they don't have to hear them complain about it and so that they can't organize to defend against it. Probably use some of those nifty laws in the 'Patriot Act' against US citizens.

Seems like some parts of America are headed one way and some parts are headed in the other. Going to definitely clash at some point.
 
scha·den·freu·de - [shahd-n-froi-duh]; noun: satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.

I'm surprised we don't have a word for this English. I could put it into colloquial speech, but the language wouldn't be THR appropriate.

I heard from a mallard recently that it's okay to simultaneously believe in state's rights and the inalienable rights of an individual. They are not mutually exclusive.
 
Dumb move Hawaii State Government. This crap is what you burn calories on? Pathetic! Harassing and persecuting the hunters and legal gun owners will really help that horrible feral hog problem too that is destroying the rainforest. Great work. Deal with crime and meth labs you idiots!

Fire these fools in the next elections Hawaii voters, or it will get worse!
 
NYH1 said:
I guess my wife and I will have to be the ones that break the New Yorkistan cycle and get out of here. Hopefully soon.

NYH1!
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A little advice, start the dialog as early as possible. My wife and I started this conversation a couple of years ago with our respective families. They poo-pooed it at first. We just bought a house in E. TN last summer, and are in the process of getting it ready for us to move there. We are strong constitutionalists, and have no desire of bringing MA down there. We will assimilate to our new state. Now our families are excited about this change of geography. Takes a while, but they come around.....

Good luck..

LNK
 
But no one is trying to take your guns!
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Says it all.... you see, THEY really are trying to take your guns. It is just a matter of time and circumstance before attempts for outright banning of firearm ownership will happen, or making it so restrictive that only the wealthy would be willing to go through the hassles to own a gun.
 
Because the government would rather have a needy and dependent population rather than one that's independent, hard working, and lives happily with only a very limited government.
 
I'm actually happy to see it go that far. It makes it more difficult to pass and easier to attack. It has the virtue of being an HONEST statement of the anti-gun position. Yes they do want to grab the guns, yes they do want to throw us all in prison.
 
From our State Constitution
RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS

Section 17. A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. [Ren Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]

http://hawaii.gov/lrb/con/conart1.html
Not all of us voted for the people in office now, even if they are hometown boys. We do what we can.
 
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