Headshots and Their Legal Consequences???

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Okay, so this is kind of a touchy subject in the self-defense community. We are all taught by our instructors to always shoot center of mass in a self-defense situation and to keep firing until the attacker is no longer a threat.

But does anybody know of situations where a prosecutor has used a headshot as a tactic to excessively prosecute an otherwise justified self defense shooting? I have to make it clear that I train to shoot center of mass, as this is the easiest area to hit during the stress and adrenaline rush that comes about during a deadly encounter. I do not want to debate the tactical virtues of headshots vs COM, that is for another forum.

But the situation may present itself, where you've fired 3 or 4 shots to the chest of an attacker and he's still advancing towards you. If you reasonably believe that the only way to stop said attacker (remember, we're assuming deadly force is justified here) is a final shot to the head as he continues to advance towards you, are you opening yourself up to any extra legal attention than if you had continued shooting COM?

Obviously, walking over to a disabled person on the ground and firing a final shot into his head would be considered murder, and that's not what I'm discussing here.

Thanks for your time.
 
But the situation may present itself, where you've fired 3 or 4 shots to the chest of an attacker and he's still advancing towards you.

I would not intentionally try to make a headshot, but I have a bad habit in extended rapid fire strings for my successive shots to "walk up" the target.
 
Well it depends. Was the head the only exposed target? COM is "easiest" target. The head is a harder one.
If someone is a threat to me/mine I will shoot anywhere I can hit them. Personally I really don't care. You are a threat thats enough.

Besides they could be politicans/zombies (same thing) :)
 
All you would have to say is, you aimed at the highly recommmeded COM, and missed.

It would be impossible to prove it wasn't true.

rc
 
The reason for center of mass over head shots is simple a matter of averages. You're likely to hit a bigger target than a smaller target.

Whether head or center-mass its still deadly force.

Deadly force doesn't get any more 'deadlier' by virtue of where the shot takes place.
Same goes for the number of shots.
1 shot is deadly, 2,3,4, and 5th shots are no more 'deadlier'.

It probably won't stop a prosecutor or defense trying to use that argument to his advantage, but the opposite side will likely plan for that and do his job to quell it.

In fact, a decent magistrate may be able to label a shot anywhere on the body as deadly force being that you *could* die from a shot in the leg, etc.

I surmise the discussion in court would likely be,
center mass = maybe you die,
head shot = death is automatic.
But plenty have died from center mass and plenty have lived after a head shot.
So that would be the argument.
 
If it's a good shoot, it doesn't matter where the shot ended up hitting.

This seems to be pretty much the truth, but if if there are questions it seems prosecutors will use just about anything, look at the Harold Fish case as an example.
 
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The Harold Fish case is a reminder that any prosecutor trying to make a name for himself can try to argue anything he wants. But also remember, Harold Fish just got a new trial.

The main way I can imagine it would be used against you is in a more subtle way, the prosecutor trying to admit crime scene and autopsy photos of half-missing skull and brain matter to try to revolt the jury. I don't see them trying to say that the head is any more or less legal than a shot to any other part of the body, it means you were trying REALLY, REALLY hard to stop the bad guy from doing whatever it was he was doing. If he made an issue of it it helps you at least as much as it helps him.
 
If you've already placed 3 or 4 shots to the chest of an attacker with a 9mm or larger caliber handgun, it would not be unreasonable to assume that the attacker is wearing a vest or possibly on drugs. A head shot would be in order as taught in failure drills.
 
All you would have to say is, you aimed at the highly recommmeded COM, and missed.

All you have to say is nothing. Repeat after me: "I need to talk to my attorney before I talk to you, officer."

Unless they are incompetent, your attorney isn't going to advise that you discuss your training or shooting tactics with the police. If you don't say anything, no one will know where you were aiming. Also, as much as we all like to think we have nerves of steel, it's very possible, that during a SD scenario that you would just be shooting without aiming at a particular part of a bad guy. There's a reason that cops typically have a very low hit percentage during gunfights.
 
You are shooting to stop the threat. If two shots to the center of visible mass don't stop the threat, it's typically because the nervous system has shut down in that area so further shots there will not necessarily have an immediate impact. Most reputable SD classes, and my police academy class, teach a transition to a head shot in their failure to stop drills for that reason. The caveat, though, is that hitting a smaller, presumably moving target may not be as easy as on the target range.
 
Whatever you do, don't try to get clever and lie to the police. Esp. over something as pointless as where you shot a dead guy. Deadly force is deadly force.

The reasons to avoid trying headshots are much more immediate. The head is tough target to hit and it's not as sure a stopper as the heart/lung area. Teeth can play havoc on handgun rounds, and the sinuses can alter a handgun bullet's trajectory. Even a square brain hit may not immediately stop the attack. The brain is a weird organ and can withstand damage up to and including a railroad spike going right through it. Obviously if you have a rifle these concerns are less of a problem, but the head is still a very small target compared with the torso.

That said, there may be circumstances where chest shots are failing. That's why the Mozambique Drill was invented.
 
No offense guys, but I think the OP is asking about the legal implications, if any, of taking a head shot especially as it considers the possible prosecution of actual or perceived wrongdoing on the part of the shooter. He is not asking about the tactic itself, lying to the police, whether it is good technique, etc.

Let me try to answer from the point of the prosecutorial review to the actual prosecution, if any, and what an expert witness would likely testify.

Step 1- After a shooting and the immediate investigation that ensues the case will be forwarded to the prosecutor’s office for review. This is not because the case is necessarily going to be tried, but simply a review of whether there is any sign of wrongdoing that needs to be looked at. This is standard procedure following a law enforcement or private shooting. The prosecutor first looks at the actions of the aggressor. They must answer this question. Would another reasonable person, in the same situation, believe that their life or the life of another was in imminent danger of death or grievous bodily harm at the time the shots were fired? If the answer to that question is a yes, you should not be charged.

It is important to note that it was the actions of the offender, and not the defender, that are in question at this moment in time. Therefore, if deadly force was justified than it would matter not whether you shot the person in the torso, the head, the pelvis, or dropped an anvil on their head from a 10 story building. The question of the force being used is not even considered until the actions of the aggressor are weighed according to the level of threat. If it was a deadly threat, your method of force should not be called into question. Therefore, a head shot could have been your first and only shot and would still not come into play.

Step 2- Let’s assume that there was a question as to the self defense issue and you are charged with a crime. Yes, the prosecutor is going to say anything and everything they can to win their case. They will say that you were out for blood, that no reasonable person would have done what you did, the works. At this point it is the job of the prosecutor to win the case. That’s why they are representing the state, and they get paid to win cases. Your judgment will be called into question, your weapon, the ammunition, your training, or lack thereof. No box will be left unchecked. It is enough to make you sick. I have seen it first hand and testified in such cases.

Step 3- As bad as step 2 sounds, if you were justified and assuming that you didn’t do anything to harm your position, i.e. make Clint Eastwood remarks, your case will not be extremely difficult to overcome. You will need a good defense attorney but just as importantly, this is exactly where an expert witness is indispensable to assert the reasonableness of your actions.

As an expert witness my testimony would likely include, but not be limited to, the following: 1) If force becomes necessary it should be the goal of the law enforcement officer (or civilian defender) to stop the threatening actions as soon as possible. 2) It is reasonable and common practice to aim center of mass of the target offered or selected by the shooter. This is the only way to ensure that threatening actions cease quickly. 3) If the first course of action proves ineffective, another course of action must be selected, i.e. alternate aiming point. 4) It is fruitless to continue to shoot at an area that has proven ineffective. If shots to the torso are ineffective a shot must, almost by demand for self preservation, be made at the head of the aggressor. 5) Even if the head were the first or only shot this is not unreasonable. The head may be the only target visible and even if it were not, it is a reasonable choice by virtue of being the most likely to stop the threatening actions quickly, perhaps saving additional lives.

I would continue to expound on the accepted practices of law enforcement from coast to coast, training hosted by law enforcement agencies, military, and reputable civilian trainers. I would cite actual cases of application including this infamous one by an Air Force Security Policeman

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8767

There would be no doubt left in the mind of the jurors that if deadly force were deemed necessary, that a shot to the head is reasonable by default. It does not matter whether the shot to the head was purposeful or occurred by reason of an errant shot aimed at the torso. I would finish by telling the jury directly that while nobody wants to see anyone killed, including an aggressor, that the lives of victims must come first. I would remind them that if they conclude that the client was acting in self defense, than it matters not the form in which that lethal measure took place.

Step 4- When you are acquitted of wrongdoing and reimbursed by the state for what was ultimately deemed self defense, send me a thank you note. :)
 
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kingpin008 said:
If it's a good shoot, it doesn't matter where the shot ended up hitting....
Just remember that you don't have the final say on whether it was a good shoot. If you're on trial there's some significant disagreement on that point, and it's not a good shoot unlessl the jury says so.
jscott said:
...When you are acquitted of wrongdoing and reimbursed by the state for what was ultimately deemed self defense, send me a thank you note.
And what makes you think you're going to be reimbursed by the state? IIRC, that's only a serious possibility in a very few states.

That said, if you can manage to avoid chest thumping and the appearance of bravado, if you can show that your training has been to shoot for the head if shots to the body have failed to stop the attacker, and especially if you have a good "use of force" expert witness testifying on your behalf to the effect that your actions were reasonable and consistent under the circumstances with accepted doctrine, you should be okay.
 
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Thanks for all the replies. Especially those who commented on the legal implications.

I understand that headshots are not ideal, for all the reasons mentioned, and as I explained in the initial post, I train to shoot center of mass.

KEEP EM COMING!
 
Originally Posted by jscott
...When you are acquitted of wrongdoing and reimbursed by the state for what was ultimately deemed self defense, send me a thank you note. :)

Originally Posted by Fiddletown
And what makes you think you're going to be reimbursed by the state? IIRC, that's only a serious possibility in a very few states.

Fiddletown, Perhaps you missed my subtle attempt at humor. Thus the smiley. :):):)

...and believe it or not, most states have varying ways of recovering money in such cases. Some are clearly spelled out yet still unknown by many lawyers. You have to remember, most lawyers do not handle self defense cases that actually go to trial on a regular basis. Other states have ways to recover money, but it is not as clearly spelled out.

But true, you are not guaranteed in every case/state to recover your money if you are acquitted and the force used was found to be in self defense. I won't argue with you. You can be right. Sorry you missed the humor.
 
If you're squeemish over a head shot, take a hip shot. Place one into the pelvis and he's going DOWN right now. Massive bloodflow also.

and that will stop him from shooting you how?

Keep this in mind: any time you fire your gun, even if you miss, you have just employed deadly force. Admitting to the police that you shot him to make him fall, drop his knife, whatever, is an admission that you weren't sure that deadly force was required here. If you are in doubt as to whether deadly force is needed, then maybe it wasn't, and maybe you shouldn't have fired in the first place.

A gun is not a remote controlled punch.
 
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