HELP! I have a serious problem with my weapon!

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I have a new CZ-75B... It was being used as a bedside HD weapon and had a fully loaded 15 round magazine with one in the chamber. The weapon is in Condition 1.

I dropped the magazine and went to rack the slide to eject the live round from the chamber.... The slide will not come back. I have a live round stuck in the chamber of my weapon. There is no decocker. I can pull the slide back a little bit, and it seems to hang up a bit... then nothing....

What do I do??? :uhoh:
 
Codition 1

Is the safety off? The slide won't go back if it is on.

Calhoun
 
Set the safety, take it to the range, and unload through the muzzle.
You probably have a cartridge with large bullet ogive stuck in the origin of the rifling. Test your remaining supply of that ammo for the same problem and if it recurs, change brands. I would chamber check it in the barrel out of the gun to avoid having to shoot another out.

This is an occasional problem, more often with reloads than factory, but it can happen, there are so many guns and loads around that an incompatible combination turns up every once in a while. I have seen it happen, have had it happen to me, and the round has always shot without signs of high pressure as you will probably be warned of.

The other source of this problem, likely if it happens with more than one brand or type of ammo, is an undersize chamber. That would be a warranty issue in a new gun. I've had one of those, too.
 
Don't read too much into this, but did you disengage the safety before trying to rack the slide?
Just trying to help...
I was at the range and saw somebody beating their new springer V16 .45 super against a 4X4 post to get the slide back, the safety was on...
:rolleyes:
 
The Safety is off...

I'm pulling back... but it goes only until the two lines on the frame and slide match up and then no further....

The round is fully seated in the chamber, the extractor has a grip on the rim of the cartridge but no matter how much Kung Fu grip and Chi I use... nada.

I'm considering taking it out to the field near my place and discharging it... I just don't want to experience any type of kaBoom!

It is my current belief that the Cor-Bon I loaded is possibly swelled... It is not "new" and may be out of spec.... :banghead:
 
I did that that first time I came home with my new 75B. I had a snap cap in it and went to pull the slide back to eject the snap cap when all the sudden I couldn't get it to pull back. I thought,"What in the world?" the took the safety off and pulled the slide back. Took me a few minutes of thinking though. If the safety isn't on then I would follew Jims advice.


clipse
 
Okay - using some ingenuity... I managed to free the round...

Due to the design - I was able to point the weapon in a safe(r) direction and push the bottom of the slide against a firm surface with my weight behind the pistol... It took some doing but eventually the round extracted.

The bullet seems to be slightly marred from the rifling....

I just cycled 5 PMC Starfires through after this to test if I had similar results...

The first 5 went through fine... the 6th is now lodged in the chamber, much the same as the Cor-Bon...

I'm not sure what to say - I think I need to call CZ.
 
Well...

I just talked to Mike, the gunsmith over at CZ-USA...

He said that this was a common problem with hollowpoint ammunition. :rolleyes:

I've heard of some weapons having feeding problems with hollowpoints, but I'm yet to hear about a Glock fresh from the factory, or an HK, or a Beretta, etc. that needed sent back to the manufacturer to feed factory HP ammunition...

I still love the way the CZ fits in my hand, its accuracy, etc.... but it makes me think twice about a few things...

Mike said to just ship the barrel and the affected cartridges out to him via insured parcel service and he would rethroat the barrel so that this problem doesn't occur. He's a real nice guy, and seems to know what's going on.

I guess I'm just annoyed that I have to pay shipping and insurance and be out of a sidearm for a week while my barrel is being smithed to load factory ammo. :cuss: It's going to take a while before I feel safe using my CZ as a primary defense weapon.... :(

CZ fans out there... what do you think???
 
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"... what do you think???"

Not much! I agree with you, unless a cartridge is out of spec, the same spec I presume modern day CZ uses, a pistol should be able to reliably chamber it.
 
Well I guess 5 CZ's makes me a fan, or a blooming czaddict, never had even 1 problem with any my CZs. A bad barrel whatya gonna do, it happens. Still CZ has a truly earned reputation for making durable reliable firearms. Let us know how the CZ service goes for you.
 
If the pistol doesn't have enough leade to accomodate SAMMI spec ammo, it's defective. I had the same problem with a Kimber Gold Match. Pride in craftsmanship is tough to find now a days.
 
Look, you don't have to send the pistol back. This isn't a big deal.

CZ's are "short throated" meaning that the rifling starts closer to the chamber. Think of it as little to no "freebore."

All you have to do is shoot ammunition which is loaded such that the ogive surface of the bullets is not close to contacting the lands.

A Speer Gold Dot 124gr seated at 1.145" or shorter should work fine in a CZ.

According to my notes, 147gr Gold Dots seated out as far as 1.156" would both chamber and extract fine, and feed through the mags ok.

Contrast to the 90gr Gold Dots (.380 bullets), which couldn't be set past about 1.050" without contacting the lands.

-z
 
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Ditto what Zak said, the cz's I believe are more accurate due to there chambers,
Cz offered to change mine but I said no thanks, super accurate and I did
not want to give it up., I reload so i set my oal a little shorter and use a
Lee factory crimp die.
 
FWIW, I use Corbon 115 ammo in my CZ-75B and there is plenty of leade or freebore. So far, the pistol in question has had problems with Corbon (Sierra bullet loaded short) and Starfires. The barrel obviously is in need of some help.
 
Well, I don't reload my self-defense ammunition, nor do I personally think it is a good idea. Therefore changing the OAL is not an option for me.

I use factory ammunition for such purposes, and as such my pistol should be able to reliably feed it.

I don't have to send the pistol back, just the barrel - and it is somewhat of a safety issue. If I can't clear the weapon at will - how safe is it? I'm using Cor-bon 115gr. ammunition as well - and this is what caused the pistol to lock up, thus your chamber is fine - but I don't feel that mine is.

I should add that it does cycle all the FMJ I can find without a hitch.

Everyone should take notice though - I'm not bashing CZ at all - their offer to take care of this free of charge (excluding shipping - but that is pretty typical of every company) is a nice one. I've only heard less than a handful of bad things about CZs, and I still hold them in high regard... I'm just kinda peeved that I'm being inconvenienced on a new pistol. I think everyone on the board can empathize with me on that one.
 
You have a problem with the weapon and that particular ammunition. The easiest solution is to not use the ammo that has the problem.

All factory ammunition is not identical. For example, Proload loads their Gold Dots to about 1.130", which will definitely run in a CZ. I think factory Speer Gold Dot 124 is about the same length, too.

I can't shoot Precision (poly coated) bullets in my CZ's for the same reason, it's no problem, I just use West Coast instead.

-z
 
Zak...

Let me counter with this one issue.

What if you find yourself in a situation, SHTF, or otherwise in which you are not able to choose the exact brand/type of ammunition for your sidearm.

For instance if I use this weapon as part of a career in law enforcement where my partner may be carrying a different brand of ammunition and my supply is spent.... I may have to rely on ammunition other than my preferred in some situations.
I find it wise to be able to use ANY factory ammunition loaded to SAAMI specs... "Sorry Ted, my weapon doesn't like that brand of Parabellum" isn't an acceptable phrase for me. I don't really think I'm asking too much here...
 
I agree with you tom...

i have two pistols that are ammo picky...one is a 22 plinker, the other is a tiny 32 cal..

Those arent my fighting pistols, so they are allowed to be picky about ammo.

The other pistols, are not allowed to be..they better eat whatever i feed them...because someday i may need to feed them whatever i can find.
 
I find it wise to be able to use ANY factory ammunition loaded to SAAMI specs... "Sorry Ted, my weapon doesn't like that brand of Parabellum" isn't an acceptable phrase for me. I don't really think I'm asking too much here...
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In this day and age of poor quality control in many products such as our ammo, you have no choice then to pick a more suitable combat gun, in that parts are loose, etc. However you will not get the accuracy. I have seen old 1911's that
would feed anything but man did they rattle (sound like a can of marbles).

My point is you can have your chamber/barrel worked on ,polished/lengthen,
etc and it may feed anything (but even then you may find some ammo it will
not feed). It's like looking for a do anything tool. Match the ammo to the gun
and shoot on.
 
Didn’t CZ have a run of short chambered barrels a while back? I think I remember hearing something about that. Since you use this for HD, you should definitely get it fixed. Reliability is MUCH more important than accuracy.

Curious what specific loads have you had problems with? You mentioned Starfires, what weight?
 
Tom:

FWIW, there are a lot of high zoot gun makers building competition pistols with excess leade and chambers that are reamed on the big side of SAMMI specs to ensure reliability. There is no doubt in my mind that the guys at CZ can run a reamer in your barrel that will allow the gun to digest any ammo that will fit in the magazine with no appreciable loss in accuracy. Maybe it wouyld be worth another dime to call Mike and ask him about accuracy issues???
 
No one here will argue that Im a CZ Supporter......:scrutiny: and I dont think this is right. Ive have 15 of them and still counting.........16 :D

Send it back to Mike and let him ream it....your problem will be solved.
I love CZ's and not even for the reasonable price....they are just damn fine guns. Out of the many Ive had, I had to send one back to him for a little tweak and frankly, it just happens sometimes. You read about a rare problem like this on the net and say........."Wow, Im glad thats not my gun"
But the short reality of it is.........It does happen to us once in a while.

Dont discount your gun or CZ for it...............**** happens on occasion.

If you send the slide/barrel assy.....do it priority mail and save a buck.
Tell Mike while its there, could he polish the feed ramp too?........he wont charge you for it and you get your gun running like you expect it too.

Shoot well.
 
God I can only imagine how I'd react to this situation...and I don't live near a range. :uhoh: I've had Berettas and just recently, a Glock 19. I'm making the CX Storm my next purchase...we can't get CZs here, but if we could, The compact 75 would be my next purchase. Does this kind of thing happen a lot? I've NO idea how I'd get out of that predicament.

Laura
 
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