berettaprofessor
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Fellow THR'ers, please don't stone me or string me up for feeling a little Fuddness right now. I thought I understood and agreed with the "no compromises" group here but I need to hear some reasoned arguments for or against the following issue because I guess my soul isn't as accepting as my reasoning:
A bill to change Kansas's concealed carry law and recognize permitless concealed carry has been introduced into the Kansas legislature. I know permitless carry is, in theory,always a step towards personal freedom, but I have the following reservations about supporting this bill in the interests of societal freedom:
a) I'm worried that permitless carry here and in other states will hold up any national reciprocity legislation....if there are no permits in more and more states, will others be less likely to recognize carry rights across borders?
b) Truthfully, I don't mind knowing that 10 people around me in a crowd might be carrying concealed, but I also appreciate the peace of mind knowing that at least the majority, those carrying legally, have had some extra training and has some demonstrated knowledge of the pertinent laws and when firearms may and may not be used legally. I guess those are all the same reasons I support driver's licenses, and yes, I recognize that driving is not a "right" but a privledge; yet the need for demonstrated ability and education is similar. Not sure I want every less-than-knowledgeable Tom, Dick, and Bubba to be running around carrying granddad's old revolver tucked into their belt. Yes, I know that Tom and Dick are probably doing it illegally right now. But why encourage Bubba?
c) I don't have access to the full text of the bill, but currently, with a CCH, I can bypass the NICS check here when purchasing firearms. I'm afraid this bill will change that convenience.
d) I frankly wasn't bothered to have a background check and go through the small hoops and cost here to get a CCH, particularly since it has had several other benefits (I've noticed that TSA waives me through the lines more often without the no shoes rigmarole and I don't believe it's a coincidence. Also my encounters with law enforcement here have seemed more positive, not that they were bad before...). Kansas is not a hard state in which to obtain a CCH permit.
I guess I'm viewing all this a little like the open carry debate; I agree that open carry should be completely legal, but I'm also not sure that it helps the ultimate cause if we're pushing the issue and panicking the hoplophobes with it.
Okay, have at me....tell me why I shouldn't have any reservations about permitless carry legislation.
Addendum; still haven't found the text of the bill, but a summary suggests that the current law re. concealed carry will still be in effect and we can obtain permits for the purposes of bypassing NICS or carry concealed in other states with Kansas reciprocity.
A bill to change Kansas's concealed carry law and recognize permitless concealed carry has been introduced into the Kansas legislature. I know permitless carry is, in theory,always a step towards personal freedom, but I have the following reservations about supporting this bill in the interests of societal freedom:
a) I'm worried that permitless carry here and in other states will hold up any national reciprocity legislation....if there are no permits in more and more states, will others be less likely to recognize carry rights across borders?
b) Truthfully, I don't mind knowing that 10 people around me in a crowd might be carrying concealed, but I also appreciate the peace of mind knowing that at least the majority, those carrying legally, have had some extra training and has some demonstrated knowledge of the pertinent laws and when firearms may and may not be used legally. I guess those are all the same reasons I support driver's licenses, and yes, I recognize that driving is not a "right" but a privledge; yet the need for demonstrated ability and education is similar. Not sure I want every less-than-knowledgeable Tom, Dick, and Bubba to be running around carrying granddad's old revolver tucked into their belt. Yes, I know that Tom and Dick are probably doing it illegally right now. But why encourage Bubba?
c) I don't have access to the full text of the bill, but currently, with a CCH, I can bypass the NICS check here when purchasing firearms. I'm afraid this bill will change that convenience.
d) I frankly wasn't bothered to have a background check and go through the small hoops and cost here to get a CCH, particularly since it has had several other benefits (I've noticed that TSA waives me through the lines more often without the no shoes rigmarole and I don't believe it's a coincidence. Also my encounters with law enforcement here have seemed more positive, not that they were bad before...). Kansas is not a hard state in which to obtain a CCH permit.
I guess I'm viewing all this a little like the open carry debate; I agree that open carry should be completely legal, but I'm also not sure that it helps the ultimate cause if we're pushing the issue and panicking the hoplophobes with it.
Okay, have at me....tell me why I shouldn't have any reservations about permitless carry legislation.
Addendum; still haven't found the text of the bill, but a summary suggests that the current law re. concealed carry will still be in effect and we can obtain permits for the purposes of bypassing NICS or carry concealed in other states with Kansas reciprocity.
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