Help with bullet I.D. and load

[Palladan44]

Pictured on the left is an unidentified 55gr. projectile (HPBT w/ C) that I have a number of, for which I'd like to load. Pictured on the right is a regular M193 projectile to give for a reference. As you can see, the cannelures are offset by quite a lot, and their profiles are quite different.

Question #1- Any clue as to the maker of this bullet on the left? I'd like to see if there is any data for it before I start going off on my own trying to improvise.

Question #2
I did a quick measurement, and figured that if seated to the cannelure the OAL on finished cartridge for the bullet on the left would be around 1.175" I did find some data for other 55gr projectiles that are in this OAL ballpark (Speer hollow points) however these have no cannelure, and I'm also unsure of the length of those Speer bullets...... Mmmmm hmmmm.
Any possible insights would be helpful.

The difference in data for 2 different bullets of the same 55gr weight is gigantic.
The starting charge for one can be over the maximum for the other.....so, not gonna gamble. Unless I just seat at a long OAL with the cannelure well above the case mouth.

 

[SingleActionAndrew]

We could probably guess the answer to the following but shouldn't: what cartridge?

 

[Another_Kelley]

The LH bullet looks like Hornady's #2263.

https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/22-cal-.224-55-gr-hp#!/

 

[Another_Kelley]

Question #2
I did a quick measurement, and figured that if seated to the cannelure the OAL on finished cartridge for the bullet on the left would be around 1.175"

Are we talking 5.56?

 

[Palladan44]

Sorry. 223

 

[conan32120]

Ignore the cannular when loading them, .223 don't really need a crimp. looks like it's actually there to keep the bullet intact upon impact.

 

[243winxb]

Ignore the cannular when loading them

I like this idea.

https://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/lengths/lengths.shtml
The length of the bullet may help ID it?

 

[lordpaxman]

There’s an app that lets you take a picture of a plant and it identifies it. Someone needs to do that for bullets.
I don’t have any of those hollow points but am interested what you find. Where’d you get them, the dollar store in a plain paper bag?

 

[Palladan44]

There’s an app that lets you take a picture of a plant and it identifies it. Someone needs to do that for bullets.
I don’t have any of those hollow points but am interested what you find. Where’d you get them, the dollar store in a plain paper bag?

Close, bought at a gunshow back in the day. Price was somewhere in the 30$ to 40$ range for the whole box which has at least 1500 bullets. The worst part was he did tell me what they were but I'll be damned if I can remember.

 

[Palladan44]

The LH bullet looks like Hornady's #2263.

https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/22-cal-.224-55-gr-hp#!/

I cannot find any data for this bullet.
Not in my old manual from 95' nor the brand new one.

 

[ballman6711]

I also think it looks like the Hornady #2263. Midsouth has a listing for them here.

22 Caliber .224 Diameter 55 Grain HP w/Cannelure 250 Count

22 Caliber .224 Diameter 55 Grain Hollow Point w/Cannelure 250 Count by Hornady Product Overview Midsouth offers the Hornady 22 Caliber .224 Diameter 55 Grain Hollow Point Match bullets w/Cannelure in a convenient 250 count box. These 55 gr BTHPs are specifically designed with the Advanced...

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

And I can't find any data for that specific bullet either. I would use the Hornady 55gr FMJ-BT data and ignore the cannelure as someone else mentioned. Start low and work up and I bet you find a good load.

chris

 

[Jim Watson]

If you look at a Hornady manual, they lump all bullets of the same caliber, cartridge, and weight over the same load table. They don't have specific individual bullet data.

 

[Palladan44]

If you look at a Hornady manual, they lump all bullets of the same caliber, cartridge, and weight over the same load table. They don't have specific individual bullet data.

I'm aware, but they still list the different bullets with their product numbers, which this Bullet product number isn't in there.

 

[kmw1954]

I'm aware, but they still list the different bullets with their product numbers, which this Bullet product number isn't in there.

I have some Hornady 62gr HPBT that were purchased for MidSouth. There is a part number on these but like you Hornady does not list this bullet anywhere. Was this one made specifically for MidSouth? IDK.

 

[conan32120]

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/load-data-for-hornady-2263b.925329/ old post on same bullet

 

[Palladan44]

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/load-data-for-hornady-2263b.925329/ old post on same bullet

I thought it could be, possibly just a different lot from a different time period. They have a slightly different color, the cannelures are off by about 15 thou, and the cannelures are thicker and more pronounced from the ones I loaded up back in November. I might be over thinking this whole thing I will admit.

 

[41 Mag]

Unless your gearing up for a full auto whohaa, I would load them to your standard OAL and run with working up a nice shooting load.

I have run plenty of load tests through my AR over the past year and checked for bullet set back, both in the mags and in the chamber as they were loaded and shot. To date I have had nothing move with just case neck tension. I also do not pay any attention to the location of the cannalure when seating, I usually use the max mag length less what enables them to feed properly.

 

[PWC]

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