JFrame
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I'm sure there are exceptions all around, but it might help to have been a kid growing up in the late 50's - early 60's...
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Henry - Mare's Leg
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I'm sure there are exceptions all around, but it might help to have been a kid growing up in the late 50's - early 60's...
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Badlander
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I was A kid in the 50s and early 60s. Thought it was cool then. Don't get it now tho.
JFrame
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Me too -- and I prolly won't get one either. Just sayin' there might be a bit of that nostalgia thing going on.
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Apple a Day
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Well, if you don't get it then don't get it! Get it?
Seriosly. I don't get the guys around here who insist on hanging all of the tacticool stuff off their AR's and talk like they're going to have to use it to fight off the [choose one: Red Chinese Army, zombies, terrorists who happen to attack thier particular neighborhood because of its obvious national value, Nuevo Poncho Villa, demonic mother in law, etc...] or the guys who rig up some ultra-expensive scope/rifle rig to be capable of one-holing a target from three counties over when the longest shooting range within driving distance is 100 yards. I don't understand stamp collecting, either. Whatever floats your boat, though. If you enjoy it then go for it as long as it ain't hurtin' nobody.
Lucky Derby
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You can get one in CA. Just have a wood dowl placed in the mag tube either prior to the gun coming into CA, or find an 07FFL in state to buy it from. They will install the dowl. The gun is then DROSed to you as a single shot pistol, which is exempt from the "Safe Handgun Roster." Once you get it home, remove the dowl and "convert" it back to a repeater. This is 100% legal, and is quite commonly done with AR/AK pistols, and other pistols that are not on the Safe Handgun Roster.
IANAL
bigfatdave
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My Henry Lever Carbine (H001L) has the large loop, it is nice and Henry knows how to make a nice smooth lever-action, there is no reason the Henry Mare's Leg (H001ML) built on the same action would have an inferior action feel.
Not if it was a Henry, the Henry factory is tooling up for .45LC and .22lr only at this point.
I suppose if someone cut down a Henry Big Boy (H006?) in .357 you could see a SBR/AOW.
Other companies make the Mare's Leg concept in .357, and hopefully Henry will as well in the long run. If my H001ML ever arrives I'll have a nice set of .22lr guns (many semiauto pistols and rifles, lever rifle, lever pistol, SA revolver) ... I might have to pick up a DA revolver in .22, while I'm at it. Given a Mare's Leg in .38spl/.357mag I'd just have to get a lever rifle, lever pistol, SA and SA revolver and complete the set!
JGPena
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BHP FAN and Lucky Derby;
I may be wrong, but eventhough this is a repeater, this is legally a single action pistol; therefore exempt from having to be approved as are, i believe, all other single action pistols, therefore no limiting dowel is required. I'm getting the .22 from a local shop. I wish Henry, or someone made one a more reasonably priced .44mag :/ Maybe Henry will?!
Does anyone know if adding a fat rubber, or leather pad to the rear end of the "grip" might make this a stocked pistol in the eyes of BATF of DOJ?
Lucky Derby
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JGPena: It is not single action pistols that are exempt, it is single action REVOLVERS. Even then there are size and weight requirements.
If it were single action pistols then 1911s and Browning HPs among other semi-autos would be exempt.
If it were single action pistols then 1911s and Browning HPs among other semi-autos would be exempt.
JGPena
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Lucky Derby, thats what I meant, single action revolvers. Sorry
Rossi makes and sells their version of the Mare's Leg, lever action pistol in 38/357; 44 mag, and I think 45 Colt. So for those you you who want those calibers, you are in luck.
What I don't get? is.. why are you posting that you don't get it? If I open a posting, and I "don't get it" I usually pass on commenting. There is an active thread about Saturday Night Specials.. I don't get them.. heck I didn't even open the thread to read them. Those guys have their interests for their reasons, I'm cool with that. (just being a little pissy here)
Dain Bramage
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I don't get Artillery Lugers. What, the Boomer Boys are so far away, they need an extra long barrel..on their sidearm? Just sayin'.
I was hoping someone could explain why this gun seems so popular. I don't get it, tell me why I am missing a good bet.
Nobody has done so. I still don't get it. The gun requires two hands to operate, right? Seems clumsy and inconvenient.
You want to buy one? Have at it. But I don't get it.
Nobody has done so. I still don't get it. The gun requires two hands to operate, right? Seems clumsy and inconvenient.
You want to buy one? Have at it. But I don't get it.
Saxon. OK with a question I can answer.
A lot of us watched, "The Rifleman" with Chuck Connors; "Wanted Dead or Alive" with Steve Mcqueen (actually I'm too young to have seen 1st run, but on re runs.) "True Grit" with John Wayne, ok an actual carbine length lever gun but. still.. "FireFly" on SiFi channel.
It's nastalgic to when the Western was the real western.
I generally opperate ALL my hand guns 2 handed. At the range I hand cycle my 1911 for the 1st round. I use a 2 hand hold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSQaEvSfTl4&feature=player_embedded
A lot of us watched, "The Rifleman" with Chuck Connors; "Wanted Dead or Alive" with Steve Mcqueen (actually I'm too young to have seen 1st run, but on re runs.) "True Grit" with John Wayne, ok an actual carbine length lever gun but. still.. "FireFly" on SiFi channel.
It's nastalgic to when the Western was the real western.
I generally opperate ALL my hand guns 2 handed. At the range I hand cycle my 1911 for the 1st round. I use a 2 hand hold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSQaEvSfTl4&feature=player_embedded
M2 Carbine
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Quite simply the gun is cool and fun. That's reason enough to buy/own a lot if things.
danez71
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I'm going to go ahead and say you are wrong about that and assure you that a person that does not have two hands is still more than capable of using it.
kiskicowboy
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A Mares Leg's a great gun, and demands to be wielded with an appropriate attitude
ironhead7544
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I would like one on an 1886 action in 45-70. It would be a true "anti-bear" handgun. And a belt rig like Steve McQueen.
Dane,
The things are slow enough & awkward enough with two hands.
Using only one would be much slower & more awkward, along with making it much more difficult to hold still enough to aim & hit anything at distance.
I know, I've tried.
You CAN use it with one hand, but you won't use it quickly or well.
Ironhead,
No, you would not.
You would not be able to hold onto the thing firing it with any decent .45-70 load.
I used the Rossi with .45 Colt+Ps from CorBon about two weeks ago.
That was bad enough.
Off the rest, shooting for accuracy, I had to hold my left hand against the butt end to keep it from coming straight back in my face on each shot. The first one slammed into my left palm hard enough to cause me to pad it with a rolled up glove between palm & steel buttplate for every shot fired from the rest with those two CorBon heavy loads after that.
That 30 rounds (three five-shot strings with two different +P loads) was a LONG 30 rounds.
Zero interest in trying anything that heavy again.
There's no pistol grip on the things, you have to change the normal position of the wrist in holding & shooting them, and that affects the way recoil energy is dispersed.
You stick a cutback .45-70 in front of your face to use the sights, and your new name'll be Old Ugly.
Denis
The things are slow enough & awkward enough with two hands.
Using only one would be much slower & more awkward, along with making it much more difficult to hold still enough to aim & hit anything at distance.
I know, I've tried.
You CAN use it with one hand, but you won't use it quickly or well.
Ironhead,
No, you would not.
You would not be able to hold onto the thing firing it with any decent .45-70 load.
I used the Rossi with .45 Colt+Ps from CorBon about two weeks ago.
That was bad enough.
Off the rest, shooting for accuracy, I had to hold my left hand against the butt end to keep it from coming straight back in my face on each shot. The first one slammed into my left palm hard enough to cause me to pad it with a rolled up glove between palm & steel buttplate for every shot fired from the rest with those two CorBon heavy loads after that.
That 30 rounds (three five-shot strings with two different +P loads) was a LONG 30 rounds.
Zero interest in trying anything that heavy again.
There's no pistol grip on the things, you have to change the normal position of the wrist in holding & shooting them, and that affects the way recoil energy is dispersed.
You stick a cutback .45-70 in front of your face to use the sights, and your new name'll be Old Ugly.
Denis
danez71
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Someone that is missing a hand/limb or has a prosthetic is still very capable of using that gun well.
Dane,
I'd disagree. Using it, yes. Using it well, no.
Working the lever one-handed would be very awkward. If you're thinking of spincocking one-handed, the unmodified 92 action won't reliably feed a round, and that involves questionable safety too.
Otherwise, working out a partial backward spincock might work, but no matter how you do it you're taking the gun down off line-of-fire and it'll be slow to get off a successive shot.
As I said- holding up a relatively heavy gun one-handed and trying to aim it at much beyond 25 yards while holding it still is going to be hard for most people.
Closer in, at a sufficiently sizable target, it could work.
But, no matter how much you'd practice to achieve a certain level of ability with a mare's leg, it still will not be as efficient as a good revolver or auto-pistol for defensive applications, and not as efficient as a full-length rifle for longer range hunting applications.
Insisting on trying to make the mare's leg work in such roles is an exercise in emotional gratification, not a matter of switching to a superior tool.
You CAN use it for defense, you CAN use it for hunting, you CAN use it one-handed.
You'll do so by imposing some significant handicaps on yourself.
BLB,
Look at the difference in how you'd hold one, from the way you'd hold a more traditional handgun.
ML, you have to cant your stronghand wrist in an unnatural "down" position to match the straight wrist of the ML. With standard pressure .45 Colt and .44-40 loads, no real stress on your wrist. Anything heavier, it can be.
Regular handgun, with a regular angled pistol-grip, you hold your wrist in more of a natural position, taking recoil forces in a more natural direction.
Imagine a boxer punching with his wrist angled downward as opposed to with a straight wrist. Which way can absorb the shock of impact with the least amount of stress?
Not an exact parallel, but a close one.
That's just a foundation for understanding part of the differences between the ML & a normal handgun.
For close hipshots, strong hand at the rear, support hand on the fore-end.
For close aimed fire (10 yards or so) where you may want to fire a quick (relatively) followup shot, same.
For longer distances on aimed fire where speed is not an issue, I found wrapping both hands around the gun's stock wrist held it steadier on target than using the fore & aft hold. This one WILL be slow on a second shot, more hand movement required by both hands.
When you separate your hands on the gun, you have two arms basically trying to go in different directions, and without a third point of contact (buttstock on shoulder) the muzzle wanders.
When you have both hands together, just like on a conventional handgun, those hands are not operating independently, and both are working together to support the gun and to maintain sight alignment.
Recoil is not just handled differently by the hands, it's also presented differently by the gun.
In a traditional handgun with a traditional handgun grip, the bore is sufficiently high above the grip, and the grip sufficiently angled, to cause recoil to be presented in two different planes- backward in general for the entire gun, and upward for the barrel as the gun tries to rotate itself.
On the ML, without an angled grip, recoil tends to be a little more of a straight back proposition. Muzzle still rises, but you get more of a straight back attempt to travel.
Without much recoil, no big deal. With higher levels, it can be.
I can easily shoot either my .44-40 or .45 Colt with standard pressures held out in front of my face in the fore & aft position, the two-hands-on-the-gun's-stock-wrist position, or one-handed, with no problems whatever, as long as I don't put the gun right in front of my nose.
With the heavy CorBon +P stuff, I would not want that gun anywhere near my face, with either grip.
After doing the accuracy testing with the Rossi, I did try a couple shots with one of the CorBons freestanding, the first was with the for & aft grip low & in front of my body, the second was with the two-hand-wrist grip aimed at eye level.
The aimed shot banged the inside of the lever pretty smartly against the fore-finger on my left hand. Without a regular angled pistol grip to anchor the gun in hand, it tries very hard to slide backwards in the hand. A smooth stock (no rubber or checkering) doesn't help much in resisting that slide attempt, too.
Those two shots were more than enough to persuade me that the only thing the ML offers me is a boost in velocities with the 12-inch barrel, as far as any practical applications go.
Fun is an entirely different matter.
I'll stick with my Redhawks for large critter handgun defense. May not get exactly the same velocities, but I can shoot heavy Garrett .44s infinitely more efficiently, with adequate accuracy, greater maneuverability, smaller & handier holster capabilities, faster rate of fire, quicker reloading, the ability to fire one-handed much quicker, and much less risk of busting my nose or losing teeth.
Denis
I'd disagree. Using it, yes. Using it well, no.
Working the lever one-handed would be very awkward. If you're thinking of spincocking one-handed, the unmodified 92 action won't reliably feed a round, and that involves questionable safety too.
Otherwise, working out a partial backward spincock might work, but no matter how you do it you're taking the gun down off line-of-fire and it'll be slow to get off a successive shot.
As I said- holding up a relatively heavy gun one-handed and trying to aim it at much beyond 25 yards while holding it still is going to be hard for most people.
Closer in, at a sufficiently sizable target, it could work.
But, no matter how much you'd practice to achieve a certain level of ability with a mare's leg, it still will not be as efficient as a good revolver or auto-pistol for defensive applications, and not as efficient as a full-length rifle for longer range hunting applications.
Insisting on trying to make the mare's leg work in such roles is an exercise in emotional gratification, not a matter of switching to a superior tool.
You CAN use it for defense, you CAN use it for hunting, you CAN use it one-handed.
You'll do so by imposing some significant handicaps on yourself.
BLB,
Look at the difference in how you'd hold one, from the way you'd hold a more traditional handgun.
ML, you have to cant your stronghand wrist in an unnatural "down" position to match the straight wrist of the ML. With standard pressure .45 Colt and .44-40 loads, no real stress on your wrist. Anything heavier, it can be.
Regular handgun, with a regular angled pistol-grip, you hold your wrist in more of a natural position, taking recoil forces in a more natural direction.
Imagine a boxer punching with his wrist angled downward as opposed to with a straight wrist. Which way can absorb the shock of impact with the least amount of stress?
Not an exact parallel, but a close one.
That's just a foundation for understanding part of the differences between the ML & a normal handgun.
For close hipshots, strong hand at the rear, support hand on the fore-end.
For close aimed fire (10 yards or so) where you may want to fire a quick (relatively) followup shot, same.
For longer distances on aimed fire where speed is not an issue, I found wrapping both hands around the gun's stock wrist held it steadier on target than using the fore & aft hold. This one WILL be slow on a second shot, more hand movement required by both hands.
When you separate your hands on the gun, you have two arms basically trying to go in different directions, and without a third point of contact (buttstock on shoulder) the muzzle wanders.
When you have both hands together, just like on a conventional handgun, those hands are not operating independently, and both are working together to support the gun and to maintain sight alignment.
Recoil is not just handled differently by the hands, it's also presented differently by the gun.
In a traditional handgun with a traditional handgun grip, the bore is sufficiently high above the grip, and the grip sufficiently angled, to cause recoil to be presented in two different planes- backward in general for the entire gun, and upward for the barrel as the gun tries to rotate itself.
On the ML, without an angled grip, recoil tends to be a little more of a straight back proposition. Muzzle still rises, but you get more of a straight back attempt to travel.
Without much recoil, no big deal. With higher levels, it can be.
I can easily shoot either my .44-40 or .45 Colt with standard pressures held out in front of my face in the fore & aft position, the two-hands-on-the-gun's-stock-wrist position, or one-handed, with no problems whatever, as long as I don't put the gun right in front of my nose.
With the heavy CorBon +P stuff, I would not want that gun anywhere near my face, with either grip.
After doing the accuracy testing with the Rossi, I did try a couple shots with one of the CorBons freestanding, the first was with the for & aft grip low & in front of my body, the second was with the two-hand-wrist grip aimed at eye level.
The aimed shot banged the inside of the lever pretty smartly against the fore-finger on my left hand. Without a regular angled pistol grip to anchor the gun in hand, it tries very hard to slide backwards in the hand. A smooth stock (no rubber or checkering) doesn't help much in resisting that slide attempt, too.
Those two shots were more than enough to persuade me that the only thing the ML offers me is a boost in velocities with the 12-inch barrel, as far as any practical applications go.
Fun is an entirely different matter.
I'll stick with my Redhawks for large critter handgun defense. May not get exactly the same velocities, but I can shoot heavy Garrett .44s infinitely more efficiently, with adequate accuracy, greater maneuverability, smaller & handier holster capabilities, faster rate of fire, quicker reloading, the ability to fire one-handed much quicker, and much less risk of busting my nose or losing teeth.
Denis
But, to bring it back to a Henry .22 mare's leg, recoil wouldn't be a factor, and a .22 version would be a LOT quieter and a bunch cheaper to shoot.
Be interesting to see how heavy it'll be. If they do a 12-inch octagon barrel, you can figger it'll be a little tippy at the front end.
Denis
Be interesting to see how heavy it'll be. If they do a 12-inch octagon barrel, you can figger it'll be a little tippy at the front end.
Denis
scaatylobo
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In my not so humble opinion,this gun is very much like my Harley Davidson.
If I have to explain it = you would NOT understand !.
I want and will get one.
And yes,they make a holster for it just like M'cQueens .
I know as I already own the holster
If I have to explain it = you would NOT understand !.
I want and will get one.
And yes,they make a holster for it just like M'cQueens .
I know as I already own the holster
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