Here is a good one about Massachusetts

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I grew up in MA, but moved to NH once I couldn't take it anymore (about 13 years ago)...

A man in MA called police, because he had guns stolen.... and since he was a reloader (I too did it since 1991), they arrested HIM for 'manufacturing explosives'.

Geez... I am now an NRA Life Member.
 
That is a classic! And maybe an example of keeping your mouth shut as much as possible (I assume he showed , or discussed his reloading hobby with the popo.)
 
Reloading isn't something you should have to keep your mouth shut about.
 
Reloading

Hi All,

I agree you should not have to keep your mouth shut, but I have learned that you should share as little information as possible.
If they ever had come to my last house and went in the lower level, when I was reloading, and saw thousands of rounds of brass all over the place, even here in NH I think they would have freaked out...

I wish that law enforcement would understand the difference between benevolent people and violent people.... though I understand that they don't know what situation they are walking into, so in one sense that is not unfair on their part. Though arresting the guy in MA is SO far out of line...
 
"no one here now",
Just curious, do you have a link to a news post somewhere? It’s incredible, reloading supplies are sold in most sporting goods stores; what are buyers supposed to do with powder and primers?

Chuck
 
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I don't believe the OP.

I mean, anything is possible in MA, including that some officers don't understand the law or ammo components. But a whole lot of us reload, and no threat of arrest for manufacturing explosives is in the air. At all.

On the other hand: some folks in other states use binary explosives ("Tannerite" and such) to produce explosive "reactive" targets. I have been told (but cannot verify) that combining such components is the illegal production of explosives in MA.
 
Loosedhorse writes: "I don't believe the OP."

That is why I would like to see how the OP learned of the arrest. By the way, I see you are a MA resident; I hope for your sake it's not true.
 
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do you have a link to a news post somewhere? It’s incredible...
I went googling and found some related articles in the Lowell Sun archives about the burglars. They lived a few doors down the same street of a reportedly bad neighborhood. 40 guns taken, a few have since been recovered. This happened 02 Jan. Hope the victim has been able to navigate the legal system, make an insurance claim, and get on with his life.
 
You don't have to believe me

Well, I lived in northeastern MA since I was 6 years old.

I got my first CC when I was 29. It cost me $800, and took almost a year. (this is back in 1991).
Not a chance of ever getting a full-auto license without a LOT of litigation, and my name all over the newspaper.
Primers, black powder etc. all had to be from NH.

I learned about the incident from a MA newspaper delivered to me, but since I no longer (actually since 1998) have had anything to do with that state (nor will I ever do so again), I no longer care. "Live Free or Die".

steelerdude99 (Chuck), I respect your questions, but loading supplies in eastern MA are NOT sold in all sporting good stores... (gun stores, yes, if you have a license).

I reloaded in MA for almost a decade. That was why I was so shocked as to why they would do that to this person.
 
Wait, didn't the Supreme Court of the United States rule that this was a violation of the fourth amendment according to Gideon Versus Wainwright?

Gideon v. Wainwright was the case where SCOTUS held that anyone accused of criminal charges is entitled to have an attorney. G v. W was a 6th Amendment case.

Rights to confront your accuser, to testify or to keep silent, to have the government make its case without assistance from the accused aren't much good if one does not understand if, when and how to assert those rights.
 
Here's the scoop

Comm2A to Support Lowell Gun Collector
Commonwealth Second Amendment (Comm2A) is actively seeking donations to support the criminal defense of Stan Sokolowski, a Lowell gun collector whose valuable and historic firearms collections was stolen in a January 2011 burglary. The firearms stolen were in a vault. It was a vault so secure that Lowell PD Capt. Kelly Richardson told the local media "It was very, very secure... Whoever broke into it had some time because it was so secure."

Why on earth would the victim of a crime need to mount a criminal defense and fight for his own freedom?

Imagine going to the police station to report that your house had been broken into, and some of your property stolen. You would expect a serious and concerned response, but you would not expect to be detained and interrogated for seven hours.

Yet that is exactly what happened to Mr. Sokolowski when he reported the theft. Stan was put in a room and questioned repeatedly. After finding evidence that Stan, like many thrifty gun owners, reloaded his own ammunition, the police began asking him if he manufactured ammunition for sale and his license to possess firearms was immediately revoked. Six weeks later, Stan was charged with the illegal manufacture of explosives (which is what MA classifies small arms ammunition as). These charges are directly related to Mr. Sokolowski's reloading activities - an activity practiced by thousands of law-abiding individuals in Massachusetts and hundreds of thousands nationwide.

Comm2A is supporting Mr. Sokolowski because a successful prosecution in this case will expose Massachusetts residents engaged in reloading to potential criminal charges. Reloading will become another mallum prohibitum charge like storage that the state can mis-use in order to strip people of their gun rights.

Donations collected in response to this appeal will directly aid in the criminal defense of Mr. Sokolowski. Donations can be made via PayPal from a special link on our website here or by check made Payable to Comm2A, PO Box 301398, Jamaica Plain, MA 02130. Please write 'Stan' in the memo line of your check.

Donations made in response to this appeal will be matched on a dollar-for-dollar basis thanks to a $3,000 matching grant pledged by a very generous supporter. Not only does your donation count, it counts double.

Mr. Sokolowski is represented by Attorneys Jesse Cohen and Michael D. Brennan.

Commonwealth Second Amendment (Comm2A) is a Massachusetts based non-profit dedicated to preserving and expanding the rights of gun owners in the northeast. We are dedicated to promoting a better understanding of rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. In addition to organizing and funding a number of exciting projects, our activities include educational programs designed to promote a better understanding of Massachusetts and Federal firearms laws and rights as well as programs to defend and protect the civil rights of Massachusetts gun owners.

All press inquiries please contact (617) 942-0660 or [email protected].
 
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/137374-Comm2A-to-Support-Lowell-Gun-Collector
Northeastshooters forum, Thread: Comm2A to Support Lowell Gun Collector 08-08-2011

http://constitutionclub.org/2011/04/02/semi-news-a-satirical-look-at-recent-news-4/
John Semmons, "Semi-News: A Satirical Look at Recent News", The Constitution Club blog, 2 Apr 2011.
The heading is "Robbery Victim May Go to Prison"

TFL The Firing Line covered it too: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4563211#post4563211

Quotes to recall next time a Massachusetts politician wants to extend Massachusetts' style commonsense gun control on the rest of us.
From Lowell Police Department spokesman Max Cretan:
"A burglar is your common, garden variety criminal. We deal with this kind of problem every day. Sokolowski, on the other hand, is a greater threat. He has dangerous knowledge. And with the equipment he had he could easily assemble bombs. Making bombs is a terrorist activity. Having the means to make bombs is possession of terrorist paraphernalia. That’s against the law."

"We’re not saying a person can’t own a weapon. But this privilege must be weighed against the state’s need to control access to firearms. So, when a person goes overboard like this we see it as a potentially serious threat to peace and order."

So owning an undefined "too much" reloading supplies is cause to be treated as a potential bomb maker. Another link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)
The future is now: we have PreCrime Police in Massachusetts. They did not claim he made bombs, just that he had "dangerous knowledge" and "could easily assemble bombs".
 
Sokolowski, on the other hand, is a greater threat. He has dangerous knowledge. And with the equipment he had he could easily assemble bombs. Making bombs is a terrorist activity. Having the means to make bombs is possession of terrorist paraphernalia. That’s against the law."

Farmers on the other hand, are a greater threat. They have dangerous knowledge and with their facilities they could raise bulls. Bullfighting is a dangerous activity. Having the means to raise bulls is possession of dangerous paraphernalia. That's against the law.
 
About ten years ago I was flying back from Russia and had to go through customs in Boston. I had purchased several very nicely crafted leather holster rigs and when my suitcase was opened I thought the customs agents head would explode. He immediately called for assistance and four or five more agents showed up and grilled me at length. One of them was actually spitting as he shouted at me.

All this because of some leather holsters...
 
I sure would like to see some original coverage from a real news source. A Google search of the victim's distinctive name turns up rehashes from pro 2A sites and a New Jersey obituary.

A search of Lowell's local newspaper turned up nothing.

If anybody has a news link, please point us to it.

Thanks.
 
Farmers on the other hand, are a greater threat. They have dangerous knowledge and with their facilities they could raise bulls. Bullfighting is a dangerous activity. Having the means to raise bulls is possession of dangerous paraphernalia. That's against the law.
Farmers have access to large quantities of fertilizer and diesel. These are compounds often used in the manufacture of explosives that are used in terrorism. Farmers must be outlawed.
 
Farmers have access to large quantities of fertilizer and diesel. These are compounds often used in the manufacture of explosives that are used in terrorism. Farmers must be outlawed.

I was going for the absurd, which was what the police dept. spokesman was spouting.
 
Lotsa coverage on the initial theft....

http://www.lowellsun.com/archivesearch

Searched for: allfields(Sokolowski) AND date(1/1/2011 to 9/1/2011)

Returned: 4 displays of 4 matches


No bail for gun theft suspects
Author: Lisa Redmond, [email protected]
Date: January 14, 2011
Publication: Sun, The (Lowell, MA)

LOWELL -- Two Lowell men accused of stealing 40 firearms from a vault in a Dublin Street home last week remain held without bail pending a dangerousness hearing later this month.

George Rodriguez, 31, of 5 Dublin St., and Miguel Rivera-Otero, 20, of 31 West Sixth St., have pleaded innocent to breaking into the home and stealing 40 handguns and rifles, along with a large amount of ammunition in the early hours of Jan. 2.

Police recovered four handguns when the men were......

Two stolen firearms found in Haverhill
Author: Robert Mills, [email protected]
Date: January 11, 2011
Publication: Sun, The (Lowell, MA)

LOWELL -- Police recovered two more of the 40 firearms that were stolen from a vault in a Dublin Street home last night as they joined federal agents in serving a search warrant at a home in Haverhill.

Details of the search were not immediately available because Haverhill police and Essex County prosecutors would not comment, but Lowell police said two .45-caliber handguns were recovered during the execution of a search warrant obtained yesterday from U.S. District Court in Boston........

Two held in Lowell guns theft
Author: Jennifer Myers, [email protected]
Date: January 8, 2011
Publication: Sun, The (Lowell, MA)

LOWELL -- Police say George Rodriguez knew there was a gold mine inside the locked basement vault.

Forty handguns and plenty of ammunition.

At 4 a.m. Sunday, Rodriguez allegedly entered the unlocked front door of his neighbor's house at 9 Dublin St. and, using a crowbar, pried open a locked basement door and then the steel door of the vault. Inside was a large cache of guns and bullets.

Rodriguez, of 5 Dublin St., allegedly was told of the firearm-filled vault by.......

40 guns stolen from house
Author: Erin Smith and Robert Mills, Sun Staff
Date: January 5, 2011
Publication: Sun, The (Lowell, MA)

LOWELL -- About 40 handguns and rifles were stolen this week from a home in one of the city's most gunshot-plagued neighborhoods, prompting fears that the weapons will feed a stream already choked with illegal lethal weapons.

The owner of 9 Dublin St., in the Acre neighborhood, had left Saturday at 1 p.m., and returned Monday at 2 p.m., to find the theft occurred while he was gone.

Most of the stolen weapons are handguns, but there were several rifles and a large amount......

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Read more: http://www.lowellsun.com/archivesearch#ixzz1XwaLQdvU
 
What a state to have to live in. I use the term "live" quite loosely.

I'm a male. I have the knowledge and the equipment to commit rape. Should I worry that the Massachusetts police might come after me and arrest me for the potential for rape? How stupid can they be?
 
I live in NH where we, both figuratively and geographically, look down on MA. It's corrupt, crime ridden, and run by loathsome, socialist quid nuncs.
 
OP says "You don't have to believe me"

Good. Because I don't.

The source of this report is here. It is self-described as "Semi-News — A Satirical Look at Recent News." The supposed Lowell PD spokesman--the one who supposedly made the comments that have you foaming at the mouth--is Max Cretan. Are you laughing yet?

From the Comm2A (whoever they are) website:
Stan Sokolowski Defense Fund

We have reached our initial financial requirement for this project and are no longer accepting donations specific to this case.

Please consider supporting Comm2A's other activities by visiting our donations page.

Thank You!
I guess that's as close to "Oops!" as they want to come.

So, OP, looks like you got suckered. And you suckered in a lot of other "High Roaders." All because all of you are so ready to bash my state.

Shame on you. If anyone wants to start an "I owe Massachusetts an apology" thread, please do.

(Special thanks to LibShooter for his lonely skepticism.)

Mods: shut this farce down, please!
 
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Personally, I'm going to look at the bright side. At least he didn't say it happened in California.
 
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@ Coondogger

It's corrupt, crime ridden, and run by loathsome, socialist quid nuncs.

It's dressing you down for bad Latin time!

Firstly, crime ridden ought to be crime-ridden.
Secondly, socialist should be Socialist.
Quid nuncs is seriously corrupted Latin. Quid is a certain form of their pronouns for present tense indicative. Nunc is an adverb. You cannot form a name or label like that. I assume you meant to say "now whats". The best I can give you is: facemus res (we do stuff).

Non poteram ut resistam darentem eruditionem Latinam tibi et nescio modi qui licet mihi ut dicem quid conatum es facere.
 
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