Hi power issues

Gork10

Gork10

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Took this guy out for the first time today with mixed results. about two hundred rounds. Not problems with function as far as feeding and extraction. Very accurate. Now the fun part. When I bought it, it was filthy. Trigger pull was fairly heavy, felt like standard hi power trigger. After about 2 hours of scrubbing with a toothbrush and breakfree it was clean. At the range trigger felt very light. Almost to light. Noticed the pull was getting lighter. After about 180 rounds started to notice there was no wall in the trigger pull. Slowed down my shooting. Hammer started falling when the safety was disengaged. That's when I stopped shooting. The RO let me use the trigger scale to measure the pull. Came in at just over a pound average for 5 pulls. Yes, it still has the mag safety. If anyone has any thoughts one this I'm willing to listen. As it stands now, in my opinion it's a dangerous trigger. I think I'll be sending this one of to mk3 firearms for a makeover. IMG_20231001_174320_HDR~2.jpg
 
Has it been messed with in the past? Almost sounds like something that was hardened isnt now and starting to wear.

The last used HP I bought looked new and had a great feeling trigger in the shop. First time I shot it, it slam fired the first round into the ground just in front of me when I dropped the slide. The next pull of the trigger gave me a burst.

It appears whoever had it last must have messed with the sear trying to get something better. I replaced the sear and sear spring with factory parts, and its been fine since. They are pretty easy to work on, if youre handy, and its a pretty simple fix if youre just replacing factory parts.
 
Yes, it's been messed with. The last owner had it ported. I'm assuming they did a trigger job as well. The porting was done by mag na port in Michigan. Not sure who did the trigger job. I'll be having mk3 firearms do some other work as well. I think all the fire control components will need replaced. Glad your hi power is running well for you.
 
Post 4,
That's too bad. Up until now, I'd only heard of the company regarding them being somewhat expert in HiPower work.
Now, checking YELP!, I saw some mixed reviews, but mostly positive.
It seems they may be only available on Fridays if in-person contact is needed.
Otherwise, I don't know if/when they'd be contacted by other means (telephone or email).
And like many gunsmiths, no definite turnaround or time-estimate can be relied upon.
I'm no help as I'm not a HiPower owner and don't know where I'd go if I had one.

www.yelp.com

MK3 Firearms - Las Vegas, NV

Specialties: We are a custom gun smithing shop operating out of Las Vegas Nevada. For price quotes, or to start your custom build, e-mail us at [email protected] phone- (702) 665-5301 web- mk3firearms.com Also mk3firearms on YouTube, Facebook, & Instagram. Established in 2017. New...
www.yelp.com www.yelp.com

Here's the Yelp! page (above).

Here's another company which had many Youtube vids when the Springfield SA-35 first came out.

Contact Us | BHSpringSolutions LLC

bhspringsolutions.com bhspringsolutions.com

Whether BH is any good or not is unknown to me, but is another possible source. They're apparently somewhere in Indiana, btw.
It's tough owning malfunctioning older/vintage guns with little support from a manufacturer, if that's the case.
I can't tell from the OP's photo if it's a Browning, FN, or other, but perhaps one of those companies can recommend someone/somewhere if they can't/won't do the work.
 
L-2 said:
Post 4,
That's too bad. Up until now, I'd only heard of the company regarding them being somewhat expert in HiPower work.
Now, checking YELP!, I saw some mixed reviews, but mostly positive.
It seems they may be only available on Fridays if in-person contact is needed.
Otherwise, I don't know if/when they'd be contacted by other means (telephone or email).
And like many gunsmiths, no definite turnaround or time-estimate can be relied upon.
I'm no help as I'm not a HiPower owner and don't know where I'd go if I had one.

www.yelp.com

MK3 Firearms - Las Vegas, NV

Specialties: We are a custom gun smithing shop operating out of Las Vegas Nevada. For price quotes, or to start your custom build, e-mail us at [email protected] phone- (702) 665-5301 web- mk3firearms.com Also mk3firearms on YouTube, Facebook, & Instagram. Established in 2017. New...
www.yelp.com www.yelp.com

Here's the Yelp! page (above).

Here's another company which had many Youtube vids when the Springfield SA-35 first came out.

Contact Us | BHSpringSolutions LLC

bhspringsolutions.com bhspringsolutions.com

Whether BH is any good or not is unknown to me, but is another possible source. They're apparently somewhere in Indiana, btw.
It's tough owning malfunctioning older/vintage guns with little support from a manufacturer, if that's the case.
I can't tell from the OP's photo if it's a Browning, FN, or other, but perhaps one of those companies can recommend someone/somewhere if they can't/won't do the work.
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I do not recommend either of those shops. I have. BHPs from Don Williams, Ted Yost, Novak, Jim Garthwaite RIP, Jim Hoag RIP, Bob Cogan, Jim West Etc….

For basic work with shorter turn times I recommend C&S and Novak.
 
WVsig said:
I do not recommend either of those shops. I have. BHPs from Don Williams, Ted Yost, Novak, Jim Garthwaite RIP, Jim Hoag RIP, Bob Cogan, Jim West Etc….

For basic work with shorter turn times I recommend C&S and Novak.
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Thanks for the info. I didn't realize Novak was still doing custom work. I'll check them out.
 
WVsig said:
I do not recommend either of those shops. I have. BHPs from Don Williams, Ted Yost, Novak, Jim Garthwaite RIP, Jim Hoag RIP, Bob Cogan, Jim West Etc….

For basic work with shorter turn times I recommend C&S and Novak.
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Jim Hoag was the real deal. Especially on 1911's. RIP.
 
on pistols i carry i don,t want a light trigger pull, i know if i have to use it i,ll be pumped and the least of my problems will be a heavy trigger pull. in vietnam i never even recalled the trigger pull on my m-14 when in a fire fight. on my target pistols a light trigger pull would be acceptable to me.
 
eastbank said:
on pistols i carry i don,t want a light trigger pull, i know if i have to use it i,ll be pumped and the least of my problems will be a heavy trigger pull. in vietnam i never even recalled the trigger pull on my m-14 when in a fire fight. on my target pistols a light trigger pull would be acceptable to me.
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Couldn't agree more. My carry hi power's trigger pull is around 5.5 pounds. my carry revolver DA runs around 8 pounds. I don't notice the weights when I'm training from the holster or competing with them.
 
Did you by any chance dropped the hammer on a disassembled gun? That's a big no on Hi-Powers, as it damages the sear and leads to exactly what you are describing.
 
Mizar said:
Did you by any chance dropped the hammer on a disassembled gun? That's a big no on Hi-Powers, as it damages the sear and leads to exactly what you are describing.
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No, I didn't. I was told it belonged to an older gentleman that used it for local IDPA matches. It's possible the hammer was dropped in such a manner by a previous owner. At this point, I think I'm just going to have all the fire control components and the dead nite sights replaced.
 

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Bill Laughridge retired, and the employees are now running the company. I can’t speak to recent events, but Cylinder and Slide was/is fantastic w/ HI Powers. I’m guessing there is a long backlog, but this is where I’d start.
 
Good work on HiPos can be a challenge. Buddy had Jim Garthwaite work on his, and persuaded me to give him a try. The result were mediocre at best, and I eventually returned it to stock. It was kind of a problem child anyway, and I swapped it away.
Gork, a buddy and I both had used M39s that had a tendency to double or triple... some bubbasmithing? IIRC, I replaced parts before selling mine. Don't want to give someone else my trouble.
The meter runs pretty quickly on HiPo work; before spending a bunch, try P89DCSS's advice, replace some parts before sending it off.
Moon
 
P89DCSS said:
If I was op I'd replace the hammer, sear, trigger and springs diy. Lots of videos and Camp's book. Then shoot it a bit before making a multi-thousand dollar BPH,
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Finding Steve's book can be challenging. Here's an article from American Rifleman on Camp. Not available on Amazon right now.

www.americanrifleman.org

An Official Journal Of The NRA | The Shooter’s Guide To The Browning Hi Power, Revised Edition

This revised edition of "The Shooter's Guide to the Browning Hi Power" is a must-have for practical users of this famous John Browning design.
www.americanrifleman.org www.americanrifleman.org

Parts can be found. Sears not available on Numrich Arms. Cylinder and Slide maybe.
 
Gork10 said:
Yes, it's been messed with. The last owner had it ported. I'm assuming they did a trigger job as well. The porting was done by mag na port in Michigan. Not sure who did the trigger job. I'll be having mk3 firearms do some other work as well. I think all the fire control components will need replaced. Glad your hi power is running well for you.
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I'm curious how they ported the HP. The slide appears intact so must be just the barrel?
 
NMexJim said:
Finding Steve's book can be challenging. Here's an article from American Rifleman on Camp. Not available on Amazon right now.

www.americanrifleman.org

An Official Journal Of The NRA | The Shooter’s Guide To The Browning Hi Power, Revised Edition

This revised edition of "The Shooter's Guide to the Browning Hi Power" is a must-have for practical users of this famous John Browning design.
www.americanrifleman.org www.americanrifleman.org

Parts can be found. Sears not available on Numrich Arms. Cylinder and Slide maybe.
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You can order directly from Stephen Camps widow. Lovely lady I have spoken to her many times.


I recommend replacing sear, hammer and springs at the same times. C&S is a great source for a complete kit. Beware that there are variances in BHP frames even within the same generation not all parts will drop in.

Unless you know what you are doing don’t mess with the engagement angles or surfaces of your new hammer and sear.
 
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