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There are times where it might just be a good idea to have some of your firearms (ammo, etc.) hidden.

Now it'd be silly to post where you DO hide your stuff here so let's approach this from the other end and discuss where you probably -shouldn't- hide firearms (either because it's not as "hidden" as you think or because the firearm would be useless or damaged if you need it later).

Some places that are probably worthless for concealing emergency firearms (and ammo and so forth), I.E. the "common first search places"

-Anywhere on/in/near your bed.
-Closets.
-Access door to your water pipes.
-Kitchen cupboards.
-Above a dropped ceiling.
-Water tank of the toilet. (also high probability of water leakage damaging ammo or firearms)
-Anywhere near your "home office" desk.
-Eves of the attic. (also high probability of heat/humidity damaging ammo or firearms)
-Automobiles

Added on by those replying...
-Fridge/freezer
-Septic tank (yeah that IS on the search list and also has a HUGE damage potential)
-Cookie Jar (added because it IS a stupid place, and because Taliv got a good chuckle out of me with that reply)
-Couch
-Appliances (including the Televison and stereos)
-Shoeboxes (Basically same as "the closet")


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There was an episode of the Sopranos (sp) where one of the mobsters hid a revolver in a bread machine in the kitchen. So, as unsafe as it may be, lets include:

Kitchen Appliances.


-- John
 
Ventilation system. Pull up the vents from the floor, and put it in. Out of sight where no one would think to look. Plus, if you have the fastener-less type, easy to access.

Later,
Chrome...
 
Unless one has the skills and where-with-all to build secret hiding places I expect that the bad guys and the police have thought of all the places we can come up with plus some we haven't. I have arrived at the conclusion that I am not going to attempt to hide my firearms; I am going to do my best to secure them from unauthorized use.

If my house were burgled by a professional and he had the time he would undoubtedly find everything in the house hidden or not.

I have thought about putting one of those cheap gun racks on the pantry wall above the double doors (our pantry is the depth of a coat closet with the wire shelving taking up most of the room). There isn't enough room to maneuver easily in the pantry and an amateur might not think to look there as it would be hard to get a decent look.
 
storage areas built into wall cavities if done right are hard to spot. an interior wall using 2x6 studs instead of 2x4 studs would not be real obvious, but it would give you a lot of room to store things if you are handy enough to build access to it that is not obvious.

no hiding place is really safe. a metal detector will find anything with metal real quick.

a fake standpipe might work.
 
Flip it around.
Knowing what you know, if your place wasn't your place, and if you wanted to find stuff there, where would you look, where wouldn't you look, how would you look, what would you do while looking, look as though you were someone else with a search warrant, look as though you were someone else with criminal intent, look as though you were someone else just looking to find out something about you to maybe or maybe no use for some purpose in the future for or against you. Pretend you're a neighbor or relative checking on your house and just want to have a curious look around, see what you learn in that context. Drive around at dusk when people are active, tired, lights just turning on, curtains still open, and see what you see without being obvious that you are looking.

Hide some things in plain sight, other stuff in deep cover.
 
When I was burglarized they went through the entire house and ripped open everything. They got about $500 worth of easily replaceable stuff and left behind a $1500 camera that was sitting on the kitchen counter and a loose leaf notebook containing $15K worth of collectible coins, also laying out in plain sight.

I don't think it is a question of either a safe or an alarm. It is both. In my case
the bastards had all day to ransack the house. If there had been an alarm they would have only had a few minutes.
 
If my house were burgled by a professional and he had the time he would undoubtedly find everything in the house hidden or not.
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Actually a pro will miss more items than an amature , he will be in and out in 5 to 10 minutes taking the saleable items he spots in that timeframe .
An amature however will fumble around for as long as he wants , or untill interrupted . The pro does it as a business and factors risk into the process , an amature has no idea how to figure risk so they dont , and when successful have a larger haul of " crap " rather than a small haul of valuable items .
 
Knowing the priorities, depth and procedures of search would sure be helpful here.
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Okay I'd started a different thread where I mentioned the sort of thing I was thinking of. It beat all speed records for turning political and launching (not just drifting) away from the topic and was locked. So I'm trying to avoid a repeat.

Let's just say we're making an attempt to thwart a "fast" (10-20 min tops) search of your house because the confiscators then have to move on to the neighbors and then their neighbors and so forth.

Nuff said?

(very little will thwart a determined search with unlimited time, I'm not going there).
 
Let's just say we're making an attempt to thwart a "fast" (10-20 min tops) search of your house because the confiscators then have to move on to the neighbors and then their neighbors and so forth.
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That changes the entire complection of your needs . With todays technology your best bet is offsite storage such as the rent a garage variety . if that is not an option pack in pvc approprately , bury along chain link fence , or learn to drywall and put single items along electrical wiring and metal plumbing in your residence . pvc and old cast iron sewer pipe works too if you have a run of it . If you put it into the ground , put it where the ground should be disturbed and also where metal should be found . If in the house the same thing , heck many refrigerators would take several firearms ( especialy broke down ) in the spaces that may or may not be filled with insulation now , still run and cool tho at a higher cost . .. the list is endless . just remember hide metal with metal and go forth to sin no more lol .
 
Its not a good idea to hide your guns. I hid some of mine real good but now I can not remember where I put them. :banghead::neener:
 
One strategy is to buy a handful of junk guns ... put them in an obvious place (like a gun rack on the wall in the den) ... make them just difficult enough to steal that someone will still waste time trying.

Most criminals will find the cache of junk guns and think that's all you've got ... they'll waste time collecting them and then leave without digging deeper for the good stuff.

This is a common strategy with jewelry ... put the junk jewelry in a wood box on the dresser and the good stuff in the safe.

An honest to God professional thief will still get your stuff and when they government starts rounding up guns they'll go through your house with a metal detector or portable Xray anyway.

But the most realistic scenario is a tweaker smashing and grabbing stuff to sell for more meth.


And of course Insure everything worth a damn (note that as an NRA member you have a free $1000 insurance coverage of your firearms...all they'll need is a copy of the police report and they pay out well with only a $100 deductible ... and you can expand that coverage if you like).
 
the most realistic scenario is a tweaker smashing and grabbing stuff to sell for more meth.
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That may be the most common scenario, but the other one I mention is by no means unrealistic (Katrina part deux if , God forbid, it should happen again).

I do really like the "junk guns" red-herring idea though.
 
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