Hilarious/scary nonsense from Sen. Harris

[Ignition Override]

TheOmordha:
You Californians' battles for our gun rights will continue to gradually heat up in other states. Any minor or moderate success for their irrational goals only accumulates in a growing jigsaw puzzle which is never scrambled.
Some improvements in states' gun carry laws are only a single smaller piece, while The Anti-Gunners assemble the main 'puzzle' into a picture.

And among other things, so many people moving from CA, WA, NJ, NY, MA etc are bringing their anti-gun attitudes to the larger cities in those other states, what they call the "free states" on a different gun website.

We'll just discuss the accumulative anti-gun ownership actions and attitudes here, to remain on the "thicker, safe ice".

As a bit of a contrast, a really attractive lady FO with whom I flew a couple of trips is one of "those" from MA (did not seem anti-, but did not appear pro-), and it's ironic that she lives near thousands of her fellow pilots in Peachtree City, south of Atlanta, where people seem to be very pro-Sec. Amendment.

 

[Sistema1927]

She gets her firearms information from the mainstream media:

 

[Wisco]

"She says AR15, but what she means is all guns."

Fixed it for you.

Even Harris doesn’t want to ban all guns. The most extreme amongst antis still recognize the actual need for firearms for several things - hunting and wildlife control, foremost. In fact, that’s what many think the 2A is about - pappy’s shotgun or deer rifle. While I disagree with them, that’s another topic.

Thanks for the “fix.”

 

[GEM]

Harris did say she was a gun owner, BTW. The sportsman angle is used to ban items not suitable for sporting purposes under the old regulations. This is why the attempt to call MSSAs - MSRs was done. Sporting is usually hunting or static target shooting with fancy guns. While folks can hunt with AR pattern guns, the higher capacity for 'hunting' takes a stretched justification. Varmint control is different but countries that allow such for that, strictly licensed the use to those who can demonstrat the professional need or agricultural occupation. Harris would use sporting purposes to justify executive action against the guns.

IDPA or USPSA carbine matches probably wouldn't be 'sporting' enough to protect them or the higher cap magazines. Already the shooting sports accept 10 round limits in many divisions. You can also compete with long arms that don't have the fear inducing appearance. Hence, the appeal of the Ruger 9mm carbines or the Mini-14s. However, some countries are going after the Mini-14s because of their usage in rampages. Norway and NZ are examples of ones that include the Mini in their bans.

You might get strictly licensed ownership of smaller capacity handguns, nice shotguns and non MSSA rifles with limited magazines out of some of the candidates. Some would take out the handguns, though.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

If we wander into pure politics again, not related to the proposed action - this gets shut down. It's already on thin ice. Just deleted some. I know it's hard not to go there but don't.

Unfortunately it is politics. So just shut it down.

 

[GEM]

No, you still don't get it. We can discuss the nuances and content of her proposals without general attacks on her person or just discussing candidates in general. It is simple if one does that. My post just before yours was in that vein as it pointed out the aspects of the sporting usage, Harris discusses.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Her mention of "Sporting issues" is nothing but a diversion to her main cause of Banning all firearms. She is playing you and the rest of the field. Seems she is doing a good job at it as well.

 

[GEM]

She is not playing us. We are discussing what she said, not supporting her. I fail to see why you are not following the discussion and posting confused implications.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

. What part of her taking "EXECUTIVE ACTION TO BAN" do you not understand? Oh, just forget Congress, for get what the People want,
Kamala Harris wants to ban the importation of what she calls “AR-15-style assault weapons.” If she can take Executive Action and ban AR-15 importations, then she will be able to take other Executive actions to ban all AR15. Go ahead and give her this power,

At a presidential campaign event Wednesday in New Hampshire, Harris pledged to take executive action banning the importation of AR-15-style assault weapons — a move that came just three weeks after the California Democrat rolled out her sweeping gun-control proposal

 

[GEM]

No one is eating this up and doesn't get it. Who said to give her this power? No one.

 

[Walkalong]

Unfortunately it is politics. So just shut it down.

It doesn't have to be, we can discuss the antis motives/plans/etc without bringing Democrat or republican into it. We can discuss what to do to fight here anti gun proposals without taking shots at either side. We can say don't vote for her because she is anti and we don't care what else she stands for. Etc etc. Just leave republican/Democrat out of it. It's pro gun and anti gun that matters.

Oh, and we don't take personal shots at others here, even if we think they are 100% wrong, we disagree with the post and say why, we do not take shots at posters.

For those who cannot do this don't be surprised if a thread closure, or infractions, or a week off gets handed out.

Dang folks, it's real simple.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Listen to her own words, right out of her mouth. She will use "Executive Power to Ban" in her first 100 days in office. I think she is giving all of us fair warning. Her first acts in office is to wield force against 2nd amendment rights.

Seriously, do you think if she wins one executive action in her first 100 days against anything to do with AR-15's she will not take it a step further? Just give a yes or no.

 

[AlexanderA]

Either that, or she knows but also knows that most of her intended audience doesn't. She may not be ignorant, she might just be cynical!

We assume ignorance. But it is perfectly likely that she is well aware that AR imports are nominal and making her declaration equally confident in the knowledge that the soccer Mom vote she is after is completely unaware of the fact.

This. Kamala Harris is a smart cookie. She knows perfectly well that her gun proposals are "nothingburgers" -- for example, imported AR's, if they even exist, are not a factor. But these proposals sound good to the uninitiated (but antigun) primary voters. This leaves her room to backtrack and "clarify" for the general election. If you carefully parse her gun proposals you realize that there's much less there than initially meets the eye.

 

[Elkins45]

Are we importing a lot of AR-15 style rifles?

 

[Tommygunn]

Fox News just played a video of her statement. She said "assault weapons," not specifically AR-15s. Some of these do come from overseas.
But we know she is a leftie and will favor more gun control laws of any type, so there seems little point in getting bogged down in semantics.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

This. Kamala Harris is a smart cookie. She knows perfectly well that her gun proposals are "nothingburgers" -- for example, imported AR's, if they even exist, are not a factor. But these proposals sound good to the uninitiated (but antigun) primary voters. This leaves her room to backtrack and "clarify" for the general election.

She is selling the Sizzle not the Steak. Her base are hearing the words Power, AR-15/assualt rifle, and BAN! The Importation Part is not what they are hearing or what she is actually saying or what they care about.

 

[ATLDave]

Her mention of "Sporting issues" is nothing but a diversion to her main cause of Banning all firearms. She is playing you and the rest of the field. Seems she is doing a good job at it as well.

Jeb, existing statutory law gives authority to the executive branch to do things with imports. A president may well have the power to ban imports of guns with a finding of no sporting purpose, because Congress already gave that authority. Similarly, presidents have certain authority to take various steps re: international trade (see Trump's recent tarriffs). This is an entirely different scope of power than being able to prohibit possession by a person in the US or domestic manufacture and sale.

 

[AlexanderA]

Are we importing a lot of AR-15 style rifles?

It would be like "shipping coals to Newcastle." Even foreign companies would build AR's in the U.S., out of U.S.-made parts. (We already have 18 U.S.C. section 922(r), which requires U.S. part content.)

 

[40-82]

This. Kamala Harris is a smart cookie. She knows perfectly well that her gun proposals are "nothingburgers" -- for example, imported AR's, if they even exist, are not a factor. But these proposals sound good to the uninitiated (but antigun) primary voters. This leaves her room to backtrack and "clarify" for the general election. If you carefully parse her gun proposals you realize that there's much less there than initially meets the eye.

I wonder if you're not giving this woman more credit for shrewdness than she deserves. Do you have any reason to believe she has any idea of the difference between an AR and an AK?

To win, she has to bank on a majority of the people in the country either being for gun control, disinterested, or with their head so far in the sand they don't understand how much power a President would have to affect our basic rights, even in the face of a reluctant congress.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just admitting that I have very little hard knowledge on the woman and her positions other than that she has identified with far Left positions on gun control for so long and so hard that it's so much a part of her public persona that she couldn't back up and maintain credibility with her base. I don't think she could creditably attempt to moderate her position for the general election. Bill Clinton and John Kerry both went waterfowl shooting to try to convince the average, largely uninformed, hunter that they shared some kind of commonality with moderate views. I don't think that kind of play to the center is in the cards for Kamala Harris.

 

[Elkins45]

Remember all those executive actions Obama took against guns?

Yeah, it’s like that. Any executive actions that can be taken already have been...although Trump may have kicked open a whole new can of worms when he redefined a plastic stock to be a machine gun.

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

Theres something like 20+ folks bidding for the chance to run against Trump and the dems haven't even chosen one yet. I feel it's quite early to start worrying about the half dozen or so extremely unlikely possible candidates.

I think this Kamala lady is one of those unlikely's.

 

[GEM]

Remember all those executive actions Obama took against guns?

Yeah, it’s like that. Any executive actions that can be taken already have been...although Trump may have kicked open a whole new can of worms when he redefined a plastic stock to be a machine gun.

Here is a list of Obama's actions:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickun...y-signed-today-by-the-president/#71d218092312

It does not appear that any of the executive orders would have any impact on the guns people currently own-or would like to purchase- and that all proposals regarding limiting the availability of assault weapons or large ammunition magazines will be proposed for Congressional action. As such, any potential effort to create a constitutional crisis—or the leveling of charges that the White House has overstepped its executive authority—would hold no validity.

Compare and contrast to Donald Trump's. Summary: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ess-second-white-house-gun-meeting/381145002/

What did Obama ban and suggest confiscation without due process?

As far as the Wonder Twins (Gorsuch and Kavanaugh) activating the Court to wipe out the various state bans and overturn the lower court support of such bans, I'm hopeful but not sure they will.

 

[AlexanderA]

I think this Kamala lady is one of those unlikely's.

Maybe unlikely to win the nomination but very likely to be picked as VP. It's a matter of "checking the boxes."

I'm going to stick with my prediction that in the end, guns won't be a salient issue in the election. I think I explained why previously.

 

[Elkins45]

Here is a list of Obama's actions:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickun...y-signed-today-by-the-president/#71d218092312



Compare and contrast to Donald Trump's. Summary: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ess-second-white-house-gun-meeting/381145002/

What did Obama ban and suggest confiscation without due process?

As far as the Wonder Twins (Gorsuch and Kavanaugh) activating the Court to wipe out the various state bans and overturn the lower court support of such bans, I'm hopeful but not sure they will.

Yeah, that’s my point. Any talk of “executive action” has pretty much been hot air until Trump caused the ATF to redefine words.

 

[Walkalong]

As long as some politicians are openly talking about banning guns, it will play a part. Naturally some people don't want us (Me, and some of y'all) rabid pro gun folks letting that determine our vote, and will fill forums with such mush. Stuff like "your guy/gal is just as bad on guns" nonsense like we have heard before.