bburnette252
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Is it possible to obtain a semi-automatic 9mm MP5 (H&K brand) in Tennesssee?
If not, are their any good knockoffs that you would trust your life too?
If not, are their any good knockoffs that you would trust your life too?
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Aaron Baker
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A little googling indicates yes, but it will cost you a significant amount of money. Likely not worth it to you.
There are clones. They're also expensive. Whether you would trust your life to them is your business.
There's a lot of cheaper 9mm subgun variants available. Plenty of 9mm carbines, too. Many are reliable. Any reason it needs to be an MP5?
Aaron
Edit: Here's a link to an ad for an actual HK MP5 in SBR configuration. Provided SBRs are legal in Tennessee, which I believe they are, it will only cost you $3500 plus the tax stamp to own it.
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...sults_format=long&db_id=25167&query=retrieval
There are clones. They're also expensive. Whether you would trust your life to them is your business.
There's a lot of cheaper 9mm subgun variants available. Plenty of 9mm carbines, too. Many are reliable. Any reason it needs to be an MP5?
Aaron
Edit: Here's a link to an ad for an actual HK MP5 in SBR configuration. Provided SBRs are legal in Tennessee, which I believe they are, it will only cost you $3500 plus the tax stamp to own it.
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...sults_format=long&db_id=25167&query=retrieval
Willie Sutton
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It's called a HK-94. They are all preban imports and command a high premium as a collectable. Spendy but always available. It'll have a long barrel unless you pay the $200 tax stamp for one that's already been shortened, or pay the $200 and shorten it yourself.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=455586424
Plenty of clones are available, in a variety of quality levels.
The AA 89 is a clone pistol (no stock) version with a short barrel. Pay a tax stamp, add a stock, and you've got what you're looking for. Quality seems reasonably good.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com...pistol-atlantic-arms-mfg-detail.html?Itemid=0
"Here's a link to an ad for an actual HK MP5 in SBR configuration"
Actually... not. It's a Franken-Clone. A nice one, but it's still a Franken-Clone.
Willie
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=455586424
Plenty of clones are available, in a variety of quality levels.
The AA 89 is a clone pistol (no stock) version with a short barrel. Pay a tax stamp, add a stock, and you've got what you're looking for. Quality seems reasonably good.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com...pistol-atlantic-arms-mfg-detail.html?Itemid=0
"Here's a link to an ad for an actual HK MP5 in SBR configuration"
Actually... not. It's a Franken-Clone. A nice one, but it's still a Franken-Clone.
Willie
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bburnette252
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Main reason I am wanting an MP5 is just because they are friggin' sweet, its always been way up on my list of cool guns.
Also, I believe that it in 9mm would make on heck of a home defense/truck gun.
I have never built a rifle (commence hazing), but its always been something I wouldn't mind trying
Also, I believe that it in 9mm would make on heck of a home defense/truck gun.
I have never built a rifle (commence hazing), but its always been something I wouldn't mind trying
Aaron Baker
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I wouldn't try to build an MP5 out of a receiver flat as my first kit build.
In fact, I probably wouldn't try it at all. It's doable, but if you want a nice firearm to trust your life to, I wouldn't expect your first kit built MP5 to be that.
Of course, there's plenty of reasons to discuss whether an SBR MP5 is a suitable home defense or truck gun. I'll leave that to other people.
They ARE cool, but H&K doesn't care about the civilian market in the U.S. Their marketing shows it. And so if you really want an MP5, you're going to pay an arm and a leg for one.
Aaron
In fact, I probably wouldn't try it at all. It's doable, but if you want a nice firearm to trust your life to, I wouldn't expect your first kit built MP5 to be that.
Of course, there's plenty of reasons to discuss whether an SBR MP5 is a suitable home defense or truck gun. I'll leave that to other people.
They ARE cool, but H&K doesn't care about the civilian market in the U.S. Their marketing shows it. And so if you really want an MP5, you're going to pay an arm and a leg for one.
Aaron
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I purchased a POF-5 from Atlantic Firearms and did the SBR paperwork. I have had plenty of time behind a real HK MP-5, and there isnt much of a difference other than the fun switch. The finish on the POF is shiny and has a hinged metal lower, where the HK MP5 I am use to has a polymer lower. I havent had any issues with the POF-5, and it seems like a pretty decent MP5 clone comparing the two side by side. Hope that helps.
Quiet
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POF and MKE, currently make the best MP5 style firearm imported into the USA.
Both POF and MKE, were licensed by H&K to make MP5/HK33/G3 firearms for the Gov/Mil. (POF = Pakistan, MKE = Turkey)
Dakota Tactical makes an excellent MP5 style firearm in the USA.
Both POF and MKE, were licensed by H&K to make MP5/HK33/G3 firearms for the Gov/Mil. (POF = Pakistan, MKE = Turkey)
Dakota Tactical makes an excellent MP5 style firearm in the USA.
boricua9mm
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If you've got $5k to blow and don't mind having that kind of cash tied up in a HD/Truck gun, at the risk of it being stolen or winding up in an evidence locker, then the real deal HK94 conversion is the answer.
Some folks place a lot of emphasis on "licensed" copies being the second best thing, but it has been my experience that this is a very misunderstood area. In reality, it simply means that they're paying royalties to HK to be allowed to produce the guns, and in some cases, they are using equipment that either belongs to or was purchased directly from HK. Make no mistake, there have been plenty of issues with both MKE and POF guns. Making a firearms with given blueprints on factory equipment is one thing, but things like the technical specs of the steel and the level of QA and QC are things that are not guaranteed, regardless of whether or not the manufacturer is licensed by HK to make an MP5 clone. Examples of this are MKEs with broken locking pieces and POFs with crooked triple trees. These types of things don't happen with the original German guns.
For the clone world, I suggest looking at the project in terms of a barreled action and go from there. RCM (USA) makes extremely high quality bolt groups and barrels. In fact, were it not for German proof marks, you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between the two. On the other hand, there are no US-made trigger groups that are worthwhile; they're almost always cheesy plastic housings with out of spec ejectors, hammers, etc. For this reason, I usually recommend using RCM bolt groups and then going with a German semi-auto converted trigger pack and grip frame. This gives you high quality components while also keeping the cost down, since HK bolt groups usually cost more than most people are willing to pay for a complete rifle.
Through planning and some buy-sell-trade action, you can have a reliable MP5 clone for $2k or less. Of course, there are people out there whose clones have not needed any corrections, but you can't always depend on that result right out of the box.
For me personally, I think a $2k +/- MP5 SBR isn't something I would want to use as a truck gun. For my uses/perspective, a cheap, easily replaced AR makes more sense.
If you are willing to pursue the components and buy-sell-trade to get your MP5 set up the way you want it, then I'd recommend looking at the current DJ Getz offerings. If you want it to be ready to rock right away, then pony up the extra cash for a Dakota Tactical. Another somewhat more expensive option would be to get a hold of a German kit and have a custom builder put it all together for you.
Mine is an older Bobcat barreled action with an RCM bolt group and a German semi-auto converted trigger group in a clipped and pinned SEF Navy style grip. The gun is extremely reliable, very accurate, and super quiet with the can and 147s. I certainly trust this gun, but that's because it has proven itself to me over the years. My only regret is not having taken this project on earlier!
Some folks place a lot of emphasis on "licensed" copies being the second best thing, but it has been my experience that this is a very misunderstood area. In reality, it simply means that they're paying royalties to HK to be allowed to produce the guns, and in some cases, they are using equipment that either belongs to or was purchased directly from HK. Make no mistake, there have been plenty of issues with both MKE and POF guns. Making a firearms with given blueprints on factory equipment is one thing, but things like the technical specs of the steel and the level of QA and QC are things that are not guaranteed, regardless of whether or not the manufacturer is licensed by HK to make an MP5 clone. Examples of this are MKEs with broken locking pieces and POFs with crooked triple trees. These types of things don't happen with the original German guns.
For the clone world, I suggest looking at the project in terms of a barreled action and go from there. RCM (USA) makes extremely high quality bolt groups and barrels. In fact, were it not for German proof marks, you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between the two. On the other hand, there are no US-made trigger groups that are worthwhile; they're almost always cheesy plastic housings with out of spec ejectors, hammers, etc. For this reason, I usually recommend using RCM bolt groups and then going with a German semi-auto converted trigger pack and grip frame. This gives you high quality components while also keeping the cost down, since HK bolt groups usually cost more than most people are willing to pay for a complete rifle.
Through planning and some buy-sell-trade action, you can have a reliable MP5 clone for $2k or less. Of course, there are people out there whose clones have not needed any corrections, but you can't always depend on that result right out of the box.
For me personally, I think a $2k +/- MP5 SBR isn't something I would want to use as a truck gun. For my uses/perspective, a cheap, easily replaced AR makes more sense.
If you are willing to pursue the components and buy-sell-trade to get your MP5 set up the way you want it, then I'd recommend looking at the current DJ Getz offerings. If you want it to be ready to rock right away, then pony up the extra cash for a Dakota Tactical. Another somewhat more expensive option would be to get a hold of a German kit and have a custom builder put it all together for you.
Mine is an older Bobcat barreled action with an RCM bolt group and a German semi-auto converted trigger group in a clipped and pinned SEF Navy style grip. The gun is extremely reliable, very accurate, and super quiet with the can and 147s. I certainly trust this gun, but that's because it has proven itself to me over the years. My only regret is not having taken this project on earlier!
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As others have said, Yes for a hefty price. I think unless you are fine with spending that kind of cash. I personally think a clone would be just fine (my opinion).
I'm personally waiting on the Sig MPx to show up in stores. All of the SBR lengths say LE/MIL only so I might have to get a pistol and form 1 it. That might be an option for you but likely a new design is going to catch a premium as well. I'm betting $2k+ Can't find any of them anywhere though. Also Ithink its more AR style controls just MP5 style look. Im not sure how functionally the Ar differs from MP5. I have handled one once but never fired and don't remember the layout.
I'm personally waiting on the Sig MPx to show up in stores. All of the SBR lengths say LE/MIL only so I might have to get a pistol and form 1 it. That might be an option for you but likely a new design is going to catch a premium as well. I'm betting $2k+ Can't find any of them anywhere though. Also Ithink its more AR style controls just MP5 style look. Im not sure how functionally the Ar differs from MP5. I have handled one once but never fired and don't remember the layout.
Bullnettles
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I've also been wanting one, but Atlantic Firearms has been out of the AA-89 for a while. Seems money is the answer to this problem, at the moment, sadly.
Phaedrus/69
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If you're willing to spend some money (and let's face, you must be or you wouldn't be considering a real HK94) then look into a Brethren Armament BAP9, too. Boricua9mm totally hits the nail on the head, listen to him. Dakota Tactical is expensive but well worth it.
I'm about halfway to my USC-to-UMP clone and while it will be a great gun I probably should have saved some money and built/bought an MP5 clone instead. The .45 ACP has a very high CDI factor but 9mm is a lot cheaper to shoot and about as effective as a fighting round. Maybe my next one will be an MP5 clone...
I'm about halfway to my USC-to-UMP clone and while it will be a great gun I probably should have saved some money and built/bought an MP5 clone instead. The .45 ACP has a very high CDI factor but 9mm is a lot cheaper to shoot and about as effective as a fighting round. Maybe my next one will be an MP5 clone...
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