What does H&K make that's not overly complicated?
or odd?
IIRC there was a problem (recall?) with the squeeze cocker not cocking that showed up with age.
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or odd?
IIRC there was a problem (recall?) with the squeeze cocker not cocking that showed up with age.
What does H&K make that's not overly complicated?
or odd?
IIRC there was a problem (recall?) with the squeeze cocker not cocking that showed up with age.
That's the problem with mine occasionally, although I think I finally fixed it. The mechanism to engage the trigger (officially I think they call it a disconnector) after squeezing has failed me numerous times. I have a very old PSP, so I figured it would have problems eventually.
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The New Jersey state police got rid of them as standard issue due to too many of their troopers shooting themselves in the thigh. Police SWAT teams nationwide did not use them due to the audible 'click' they make when the squeeze cocker is applied. IMHO they look and feel 'clunky' but are OK shooters.
I appreciate the NJSP getting rid of theirs...That is how i got my M8 for < $600
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Wait, making a T timeout signal, the safest carry system supposedly known to man and they were shooting themselves in the thigh?? I'm guessing they either squeezed to early or more likely never let it uncock when holstering.
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Just a shame these are collector's pieces now, and if not that, definatly a "Rolex" type of attention getter for showing off. The same folks that carry Colt Pythons are the same type that like to carry H&K P7s. These folks also often own nice cameras and like to share pictures of said firearms. 
Neither cocking too early nor not decocking before reholstering will cause a Negligent Discharge with a P7. The requirement for the gun to discharge is for the trigger to be pressed to the rear.
The more likely scenario is that officers put their fingers on the trigger while drawing from the holster and squeezed the cocking lever before their gun was on target. It wouldn't make any sense to have their finger on the trigger while reholstering nor to keep the striker cocked.
In any case, it would have to be Operator Error
usp9
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Where did you hear this? I think that's a bit of internet hoax lore. N.J.S.P. used the HK for almost 20 years. A long time in the world of duty guns.
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Talk to Massad Ayoob; he will fill you in.
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Massad Ayoob said he carried a P7 for a long time and shot it better and faster than other guns, (magazine article). Sounds like he was quite fond of the HK.
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He might have been but the New Jersey State Police were not......
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Unless you have ever been in a situation where you have had to defend your life with a pistol remember the old Native American saying: 'never judge a man unless you have walked a mile in his moccasins'.
So you actually need to shoot yourself in the leg to know it's negligent?
ROTFLMAO
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I have one. Lovely piece of equipment. Tried hard to like it for EDC, but the manual of arms was just too different from the other handguns I trained and competed with - mostly 1911 variants. Take it to the range occasionally but don't carry it.
Apparently the New Jersey State Police liked it enough to keep it for 18 years? That's a fairly long time for a service pistol to remain in use.
Apparently the New Jersey State Police liked it enough to keep it for 18 years? That's a fairly long time for a service pistol to remain in use.
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The leg shooting incidents with the New Jersey State Police occurred when DRAWING the pistol, not holstering. And it is easy to claim negligence if YOU are not the one involved in a lethal threat situation. 'Don't talk the talk unless you have walked the walk'.
usp9
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Can you cite on of these incidents please. People mention them but never, ever provide a substantive verification they happened.
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I'd like to see the New Jersey State Police info. I've carried a p7 for years and can't see how you can squeeze that hard drawing the weapon and pulling the trigger . As a now retired LEO (32+years) I've walked the walk, have you in this case? Post where you got this info so we can be informed.
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As stated before; talk with Massad Ayoob. And by the way; I am a retired LEO with 33+ years of service as a street cop.
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I'll take that as a no, you can't cite an occurrence.
Let's not call each others creditably into question based on length of service...I only put in 28 years.
However, when a claim is called into question, being asked to cite a documented occurrence is reasonable.
I've personally never heard of the rash of NJSP officers shooting themselves in the thigh while drawing their P7M8s. One would think that kind of incident would have made the rounds, at least of departments that authorized the use of that gun as a duty weapon (mine did). The longevity of the P7M8 in service with the NJSP would of course lend doubt to those claims.
However, when a claim is called into question, being asked to cite a documented occurrence is reasonable.
I've personally never heard of the rash of NJSP officers shooting themselves in the thigh while drawing their P7M8s. One would think that kind of incident would have made the rounds, at least of departments that authorized the use of that gun as a duty weapon (mine did). The longevity of the P7M8 in service with the NJSP would of course lend doubt to those claims.
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If you guys got together to buy me a Christmas present and said any 9x19 auto I wanted with the agreement that I not resell it then I would ask Santa for a P7 PSP. Yep with the butt mag release.
As Mass the LFA has been mentioned I will say that when my wife took his LFI-1 class with it 25 years ago he liked it. (When she locked it in the car after lunch one day he loaned her his shorty Python.) I carried it in Europe as an Army Officer tucked in the front right waist pocket of my BDU blouse. I also has a little belt slide "bikini" holster I used in civies and state side. I imported the gun on a Customs for 6A as a returning serviceman in '82 and that gun was one of the ones tested by Hessian Police dog handlers.
Yes there was an issue with leading with lead bullets.....later guns were sold with a tool to scape the deposits from the bottom of the gas cylinder. The leading problem showed up initially as a failure to lock back the slide on last shot. Having brought a gun over before they were adopted by anyone state side I had to learn this for myself. A small flat head screwdriver worked to scape the bottom of the cylinder and I used the old Lead Out cloths (I think EPA got them banned) to do final cleaning of that part and the piston.
Whiles games men complained of the guns burning their fingers I never really worried about it with just the magazine in the gun and one spare and the other two at home empty.
I drew it on one occasion as an Army Officer to disarm a knife welding EM that had brandished and threatened others and then myself after I had everyone else leave the room and made a show of talking to him empty handed. He was very impressed by the sound of the grip cocker based on the expression on his face.....and the fact that the knife very quickly bounced on the floor.
Mine was stolen or I would still have it.
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As Mass the LFA has been mentioned I will say that when my wife took his LFI-1 class with it 25 years ago he liked it. (When she locked it in the car after lunch one day he loaned her his shorty Python.) I carried it in Europe as an Army Officer tucked in the front right waist pocket of my BDU blouse. I also has a little belt slide "bikini" holster I used in civies and state side. I imported the gun on a Customs for 6A as a returning serviceman in '82 and that gun was one of the ones tested by Hessian Police dog handlers.
Yes there was an issue with leading with lead bullets.....later guns were sold with a tool to scape the deposits from the bottom of the gas cylinder. The leading problem showed up initially as a failure to lock back the slide on last shot. Having brought a gun over before they were adopted by anyone state side I had to learn this for myself. A small flat head screwdriver worked to scape the bottom of the cylinder and I used the old Lead Out cloths (I think EPA got them banned) to do final cleaning of that part and the piston.
Whiles games men complained of the guns burning their fingers I never really worried about it with just the magazine in the gun and one spare and the other two at home empty.
I drew it on one occasion as an Army Officer to disarm a knife welding EM that had brandished and threatened others and then myself after I had everyone else leave the room and made a show of talking to him empty handed. He was very impressed by the sound of the grip cocker based on the expression on his face.....and the fact that the knife very quickly bounced on the floor.
Mine was stolen or I would still have it.
-kBob
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The HK P7 was never meant to compare with any Glock on price, and no Glock was ever meant to compare with the P7 on quality. Everyone wants to complain about its weight--and I feel sorry for anyone that thinks two freakin' pounds is heavy--but unless you're willing to pony up the money for a Sparks VMII or a Del Fatti LP-HTL, you are never going to learn what a wonderful carry gun it really is. Flat, smooth, compact, uber-accurate and unfailingly reliable, it is the standard all carry guns should be measured against. Now back to the Block love fest....
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