Home Defense With a Shotgun

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A few things I've learned over the years.

For self-defense inside the home at short distances, the brand of ammo, type of choke, or size of (#1 or larger) buckshot isn't as critical as shot placement from a well-fitted 12 or 20 gauge shotgun with a simple weapon light (i.e. Streamlight TLR1 or etc...). An open Cylinder (C) or Improved Cylinder (IC) choke with Low Recoil (LR) buckshot is preferred for quicker follow-up shots.

While #1 buckshot offers the best overall terminal performance for civilians, LE Agencies still prefer hardened 00 buckshot due to its superior penetration. Sales is the driving factor as to why there are not more #1 buckshot loads to choose from for civilians. The International Wound Ballistics Association advocates “#1 buckshot as being superior to all other buckshot sizes.”

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/home_defense_shotgun_ammo.htm
http://www.brassfetcher.com/12 gauge.html
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot45.htm

As for a shotgun, keep things simple! A lot of fancy stuff on a Home-Defense (HD) shotgun isn't necessary! A plain-jane / reliable pump or semi-auto shotgun with a short barrel will do just fine! (SIMPLICITY … and … RELIABLILITY are the operative words here.) An open-choked 18 1/2" - 20" barrel is ideal and an illuminated front bead sight provides the fastest sight picture.

Make sure the rear stock fits you OK (shorter aftermarket stocks are available from Hogue, Remington, or Knoxx Industries). A shorter LOP (Length of Pull) stock might be needed so that things can quickly line-up (straight) using YOUR natural Point of Aim (POA).

Pattern your shotgun at the range with buckshot. Practicing with #8 target loads is perfectly acceptable and saves a lot of wear and tear on the shoulder.

Pistol grips and slings reduce your reactionary and follow-up times (They have proven to be a liability inside the home!). Slings are useful over longer distances outside the home, but get in the way in close quarters. If you insist on a sling, get a quick-disconnect model for removal inside the home. A full-size stock with a pistol grip is a better overall setup than just a small stub mounted to the receiver. Most civilians will do just fine with a standard OEM stock that fits their size.

Federal's LE 9-pellet LE132-00 load @ 1,145 fps with LR Flight Control (FC) wads offers outstanding performance in and outside the home (civilian version is PD132-00). These hardened copper plated buckshot pellets penetrate plenty and full-power loads are not needed unless your semi-auto won't function reliably with LR shells or you need extended range in more open areas. The full-power version of 00 buckshot with FC is LE127-00 @ 1,325 fps.

http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/shotshell/tacticalbuckshot.aspx

"Birdshot, because of its small size, does not have the mass and sectional density to penetrate deeply enough to reliably reach and damage critical blood distribution organs. Although birdshot can destroy a great volume of tissue at close range, the permanent crush cavity is usually less than 6 inches deep, and this is not deep enough to reliably include the heart or great blood vessels of the abdomen. A gruesome, shallow wound in the torso does not guarantee a quick stop, especially if the bad guy is chemically intoxicated or psychotic. If the tissue crushed by the pellets does not include a vital cardiovascular structure there's no reason for it to be an effective wound.

"Many people load their shotguns with birdshot, usually #6 shot or smaller, to minimize interior wall penetration. Number 6 lead birdshot, when propelled at 1300 fps, has a maximum penetration depth potential of about 5 inches in standard ordnance gelatin. Not all of the pellets penetrate this deeply however; most of the birdshot will only penetrate about 4 inches."

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm

The whole point of self-defense (SD) is to IMMEDIATELY stop the threat and a shallow wound from birdshot doesn't put as many odds in your favor as buckshot does! While still deadly at a slower pace, birdshot is more likely to leave the BG additional time to inflict harm (than buckshot). Use what you want for SD, as it's your life on the line. Most people want to put more odds in their favor and buckshot is more effective at preserving life than birdshot.

For outside the home, I suggest you avoid Federal's very soft Tru-Ball slugs due to their having significantly less penetration than LR 00 buckshot (i.e. LE132-00 or LE133-00). 00 buckshot with a FC wad is very effective in open areas providing the experienced shooter does his part.

http://le.atk.com/pdf/Shotshell_Data_Book.pdf

Furthermore, instead of the soft foster-style slugs like Tru-Ball, Brenneke's low recoiling 1-oz. slug (Tactical Home Defense - THD) at 1,325 fps does a much better job for general purpose use outside the home.

http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/l_tactical_home_defense.html
http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/247.html

Finally, the K.O. 1-oz. slug from Brenneke (designed for hunting) is an improved foster-style slug and likewise a deep penetrator and good for barrier penetration. The drawback is, that at 1,600 fps, recoil is significantly stronger than the THD load (above) and is overkill for self-defense. Note: The K.O. is fine, but recoil is ………… well, you know what I mean.

http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/ko.html
http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/267.html

In short, Goldie Locks would say that Brenneke’s Tactical Home Defense load is just right! :) Not too soft like Federal Tru-Ball and not overkill for around the home like the K.O.

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P.S. The heavy 1 ¼-oz. Brenneke slugs @ 1,476 fps are used by LE Agencies (i.e. HRT - Hostage Rescue Teams) for barrier penetration and provide the deepest penetration of any slug on the market.

http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/file...t/user_upload/Dokumente/Special_Forces_LE.pdf
http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/special_forces_short_magnum.html
http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/238.html
 
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Good summary. The one thing I didn't see listed are below and just my opinion.

Since you are likely going to be using it when it is dark, a dedicated light mounted on the weapon is helpful.

Take as many traiing classes as you can afford with your home defense weapon. It was greatly incrase you ability to use it and understand its limitations.
 
Yep. I find a mounted weapon light very handy, and every defensive gun that my wife might have to grab a hold of, will bear a laser sight. Find what works for you, and what helps those with you, and use it.
 
For self-defense inside the home at short distances, the brand of ammo, type of choke, or size of (#1 or larger) buckshot isn't as critical as shot placement

Type of choke and brand of shot affect pattern. Pattern affects shot placement.

While #1 buckshot offers the best overall terminal performance,

Citation?

That much pontificating and you failed to mention the most important thing. Learn to run your gun. This means training and practice. If you get that you will know how to set your gun up in a manner that is best for you with equipment that is proven to work.

lings reduce your reactionary and follow-up times (They have proven to be a liability inside the home!). Slings are useful over longer distances outside the home, but get in the way in close quarters.

Might this depend on the type of sling?
 
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lings reduce your reactionary and follow-up times (They have proven to be a liability inside the home!). Slings are useful over longer distances outside the home, but get in the way in close quarters.

Might this depend on the type of sling?

Transistioning to your handgun? A good sling is definitely preferred by myself.
 
Transistioning to your handgun? A good sling is definitely preferred by myself.

Single point slings are starting to see a fair amount of use with some pretty knowledgable and experienced shooters for that reason. I have seen other types of slings hang people up doing certain weapons manipulations.


The International Wound Ballistics Association advocates “#1 buckshot as being superior to all other buckshot sizes.”

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm

Okay, I read that. First of all it doesn't even make the conclussion you made that I asked about. Best overall choice is a different question than best terminal performance. Its ten years old and references materials even older. It is FAR from authoritative. Its methodology (if that word can even be used) is far from anything approaching reliable or even meaningful. Who wrote it? It is essentially an opinion with precious little support. They have failed to account for all variables in best all round. They have failed to even consider all reasonable choices based on their own criteria. They compare their recommended load to 9 pellet 00 buck. Using their own measure the comparison would come out rather differently using 12 or 15 pellet 00. So even if one buys into their criteria, their conclusion is still faulty. Despite an impressive sounding name to the organization giving their endorsement, there is not much substance behind that article. The author needs to go back to 8th grade science class and learn some things about reliable methodology and try again.
 
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“#1 buckshot as being superior to all other buckshot sizes.”

I first heard that in a hunter education class about four decades ago.

I still haven't found a shotgun barrel- ANY shotgun barrel- that will pattern #1 buck worth anything. However, there are several 00 loads that give me great patterns.

I don't care what the "numbers" say about how much better #1 is, if it won't pattern for me the way I want it to.

fwiw,

lpl
 
“#1 buckshot as being superior to all other buckshot sizes.”

I first heard that in a hunter education class about four decades ago.

I still haven't found a shotgun barrel- ANY shotgun barrel- that will pattern #1 buck worth anything. However, there are several 00 loads that give me great patterns.

I don't care what the "numbers" say about how much better #1 is, if it won't pattern for me the way I want it to.
What sort of patterns, at what distance are you looking for?
 
I don't know about slings, lights, chokes etc but I do know that one shot from my 12ga Defender with a 3in mag is gonna handle any BG from down my hall.
 
What sort of patterns, at what distance are you looking for?

I like tight patterns, not everyone does. I think everyone should work to get what they want in life, and with shotguns :D. What I want in a defensive shotgun/buckshot load is the ability of a given barrel/load to keep all the pellets in the load on a sheet of 8.5X11" typing paper at 25 yards.

Right now my preferred house gun and load (18 1/8" 870 Police CYL bore barrel and Federal LE127-00) will pattern into a 4X6" card at 25 yards. I can live with that.

I didn't mean to imply that #1 buck won't work, or that there are no barrels out there that will pattern it. It will work well when it's put on target, and just because I've never found a barrel that will pattern it doesn't mean there aren't any out there...

lpl
 
What sort of patterns, at what distance are you looking for?

I like tight patterns, not everyone does. I think everyone should work to get what they want in life, and with shotguns :D. What I want in a defensive shotgun/buckshot load is the ability of a given barrel/load to keep all the pellets in the load on a sheet of 8.5X11" typing paper at 25 yards.

Right now my preferred house gun and load (18 1/8" 870 Police CYL bore barrel and Federal LE127-00) will pattern into a 4X6" card at 25 yards. I can live with that.

I didn't mean to imply that #1 buck won't work, or that there are no barrels out there that will pattern it. It will work well when it's put on target, and just because I've never found a barrel that will pattern it doesn't mean there aren't any out there...

lpl

Ok, the longest shot possible in my 3 br, 2 ba suburban house is 21 feet from one corner of the living / dining room to the other. That's seven yards. 25 yards is 75 feet. That's half again as long as the longest side of my entire house. I could maybe get a 25 yard shot while still inside my property, but it would be difficult because the house would probably be in the way.

So while the performance you're getting from your choke / ammo choice sounds very tight, I don't quite see how it would apply to a reasonable HD scenario unless you lived on a ranch.
 
That's exactly what I was thinkng natman. Im not really understanding this thread? No offense but when I think Home Defense, I think of a MAX 10-15 yrd shot. It doesn't really matter does it? I mean even bird shot at that range is gonna be effective cause the pattern is gonna be condensed still at those ranges? You can't tell me that would be BG is gonna be walking after a 12ga blast at 10-15yrds of even bird shot.
 
Home Defense with a SG...

I've read this thread and scratched my head but really liked what K-ROD said.

In a HD scenario, at the 6 to 12 or 15 yard range, quite typical for HD scenarios, a shot from a 12 gauge placed in the torso or for that matter groin, legs, just about anywhere, is going to take that perp down. Yes, even birdshot placed into the stomach or chest at 5 to 7 yards is going to stop him.

So as K-ROD said, with my Defender and some 00 buck,
The silly fool that tries his luck,
Will quickly know where not to go,
Cause in the end he ain't my friend.
 
I don't quite see how it would apply to a reasonable HD scenario unless you lived on a ranch.

Not quite a ranch, but out in the country on about 20 acres total. And it might well be that a shotgun here has to go outside. Which is why there are slugs on board too...

lpl
 
I don't quite see how it would apply to a reasonable HD scenario unless you lived on a ranch.

Not quite a ranch, but out in the country on about 20 acres total. And it might well be that a shotgun here has to go outside. Which is why there are slugs on board too...

lpl
Fair enough. If there's a reasonable possibility that some longer range shooting could be involved then choke performance would become more relevant. For many of us it's not.
 
Our "ranch" sits on 11 acres and although I have no crystal ball I realistically can't foresee an HD shot going out much past 50 yards ...but things do happen we don't plan on. My closest neighbor's house is 150 - 200 yards. If someone were to be launching rounds at my dwelling from that range I am probably going to grab my 30-30, hole up with a good vantage point and call in the law.

The first round in my 20" smoothbore 870 is a rifled slug then 00 fills out the extended mag, all 2 3/4" shells. Got a bad shoulder and 3" loads play havoc with me.
 
For in and around the house, available and cheap, fast, chilled Remington #2 (.15) penetrates just fine and has wound balistics that will shut anyone down immediately without overpenetrating. But that's for close work and is the minimum. #4 (.24) is available in more choices and excellent in more scenarios. My opinion is 0 Buck and #1 Buck are the most useful universaly and #4 and 00 Buck only after those within the usual working distances of a shotgun...

Al
 
Here in the suburbs, Home Defense is most likely going to be responding to breaking glass or a door being kicked in. In the middle of the night. In the dark. In my pajamas and barefoot. I do not need a sling in that situation, nor a mounted light.

Keep it simple.
 
My 'HomeLand Security' shot gun is a Maverick 88, with the 18-1/2" cylinder bore barrel. It is loaded with Rem #4 Buck...what paterns best in MY gun. The stock has one of those elastic slip-on 'but-cuff' sleeves, with 5 PMC brand 1-Oz slugs.
 
In a HD scenario, at the 6 to 12 or 15 yard range, quite typical for HD scenarios, a shot from a 12 gauge placed in the torso or for that matter groin, legs, just about anywhere, is going to take that perp down. Yes, even birdshot placed into the stomach or chest at 5 to 7 yards is going to stop him.

Pretty well sums it up ..........a cyl bore at that range doesn't open up very much!
 
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