Reduced Recoil Buckshot for HD?

[AStone]

00 RR.

That load is
8 9mm-sized pellets propelled faster than
I can throw a rock, thrust a pointed knife,
drive my vehicle, or spit.

Given f(orce) = m(ass) x a(cceleration),
plus the fact that one can offer up
a 2nd, 3rd & 4th rnd
faster than one can say,
"Remington 870 pumps rock",
then, I'm OK with

00 RR.

Nem

 

[Mike_in_OC]

My .02
Considering buckshot on average spreads out 1" per yard, effective range for a human target is about 15 yards.

There is a reason it is called birdshot. Birdshot is a crappy defense choice. Yes it may penetrate 6 inches but that does not take into consideration any limbs, heavy clothing, or weapons that might be in the way.

 

[bpisler]

www.tacticalworks.ca there's good info here on
various birdshot/buckshot/slugs loadsThey
also have gel tests for all 3,it's worth checking
out.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

I'd never use birdshot for anything as important as self defense (for busting clays and little birds it's fine). It's a double edged sword. You aren't going to get something that will penetrate deep enough and hit hard enough to put down someone on drugs yet not penetrate walls. I feel for people living in apartments though, I did that for a long time.

 

[Axel Roarings]

Dunno if anyone mentioned this, but fiocchi has a 12 gauge 00 reduced recoil I keep in my 870.

 

[southernwarrior187]

Get a Knoxx stock for your shotgun, and use all the full power shells you want!

 

[pittspilot]

#4 Buck

The best patterning buckshot out of my A500 is Winchester Super-X Magnum 3 inch in #4 Buck

At my longest shot, it was a four inch circle of devatation. I have zero doubts about its ability to stop someone in their tracks.

Trouble is that it kicks like all get out, so I tend to go with the reduced recoild stuff instead.

 

[rsilvers]

I multiplied the surface area of each ball by the number of balls:

000 .61 square inches
00 .68
1 .71
2 .86
4 1.22

So #4 has much more opportunity for crushing. But, #4 does not reliably go 12+ inches deep. And also that has to be factored in to the trauma that is done.

I rule out #4 because it cannot make FBI depth.

I would like to multiply the areas by the depth to come up with the cylinders of damage but I don't have good depth data.

I would use low-recoil 00 or 1. I like to practice with what I keep for defense and one can probably not get #1 for the price of the more common 00, so most likely 00.



000 seems to tend to go a little too deep.

 

[Guns and more]

After much head scratching, I buy 2 3/4", #4 reduced recoil, buckshot.

I'm also considering a .410, although ammo is twice the cost of 12 ga. and selection is sparse.

 

[rsilvers]

Due to the Judge being out, a lot of companies are making new .410 HD loads.

There is still with two pellets and some shot. Whatever it is, it should follow the same rules as any other caliber and go at least 12 inches deep.

I wonder if #4 reduced recoil, being reduced, will have more penetration than previously tested full power #4?

 

[Guns and more]

I wonder if #4 reduced recoil, being reduced, will have more penetration than previously tested full power #4?

I suspect that reduced recoil has a powder that burns slower than regular. However, the pressure still builds up in the barrel. I'd like to see the velocity of the pellets. I think it is the same.

 

[rsilvers]

There are two ways to reduce recoil:

1. Reduce velocity
2. Reduce shot weight.

(or do both).

So if the velocity were the same, it would have to have fewer pellets in order to have reduced recoil. If you know it has the normal number of pellets, then the velocity could not be the same.

Normally you would just use less of the same powder to lower the velocity.