Home invasion...two down!

[Clipper67]

This today in Amarillo, Texas...(I don't know where to place this, Admin will take care of that)

DETAILS:
On January 4th at 5:19am, APD officers were called to a suspicion call at a residence in the 300 block of South Jackson street. Officers found two people deceased at this location. APD Homicide Detectives were called to the scene to investigate. Detectives in this investigation have learned that the homeowner confronted one of the subjects who was committing a burglary. This suspect attacked the homeowner and a fight ensued. The homeowner was armed with a handgun. The second subject intervened attempting to assault the homeowner. The homeowner was in fear for his life and shot one of the subjects who collapsed. The other subject fought with the homeowner. The homeowner also shot the second subject. Both suspects died at the scene. The deceased individuals are identified as Jesus Antonio Maldonado, male, age 27, and the other is identified as Anthony Garone Adams, male, age 23. The homeowner was interviewed and later released. This case will be presented to a Potter County Grand Jury. This case is still under investigation.

 

[WheelGunMan]

Sounds like a justifiable self defense.

 

[Jeff White]

There really isn’t enough information in that news report to know what really happened.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

Yeah, no details but it sounds like a harrowing experience for the homeowner (provided the scant details provided are accurate). I'm always glad to see the good guys/gals prevail but it's always at a cost.

 

[bdickens]

FYI for those not from around here:

EVERY homicide goes to a Grand Jury, even if it is obviously justified. So that in itself means nothing.

 

[Jeff White]

FYI for those not from around here:

EVERY homicide goes to a Grand Jury, even if it is obviously justified. So that in itself means nothing.

That doesn’t really matter. Without more information there really isn’t anything to discuss. I’ll leave this open in case some more details surface, but right now all we know is that there was a home invasion and two intruders were shot. Nothing to analyze or discuss. ST&T isn’t where we all cheer because it looks like the good guy won one.

 

[alsaqr]

Not much information. The resident was at home when the attempted burglary occurred.

Amarillo police: Homeowner shoots, kills 2 apparent burglars Monday morning (msn.com)

 

[whughett]

Justifiable as it may be. The homeowner must now handle the guilt of taking a human life. I’m sure their life has now been changed forever. I for one am thankful I’ve never been placed in that situation.

 

[Kleanbore]

ST&T isn’t where we all cheer because it looks like the good guy won one.

Let's all keep that in mind,

 

[Bronco72]

I would rather feel guilty than be dead ! I also feel thankful that I have never been in that situation, but am ready to do what has to be done..

 

[Kleanbore]

I would rather feel guilty than be dead !

Feeling guilty will not be the issue.

I also feel thankful that I have never been in that situation, but am ready to do what has to be done..

If you say so.

Again, we don't know enough to discuss the incident at this time.

ST&T is not about reporting "someone shot somebody".

 

[Bronco72]

I guess I comes down to just how well do you know yourself ! I got a pretty good handle on who I am !

 

[Zerodefect]

Justifiable as it may be. The homeowner must now handle the guilt of taking a human life. I’m sure their life has now been changed forever. I for one am thankful I’ve never been placed in that situation.

Bwaa, haha. The inconvenience of being arrested and interrogated by the Gestapo, would by far, create anger that would outweigh any guilt.

Why feel guilty for meat sacks that have possibly ruined your life and career?

And yes, justifiable fatal self defense, would be a job killer at many companies. They'll use another reason to let you go, but the end result is the same.

One of the largest corporate companies out there, forces their employee's to donate thousands of dollars to United way. If you don't donate enough, they'll tell you about it. If you don't correct it, your fired for coming in a little late once, four months ago. Although their pay more than compensates for such things, it's still wrong.

A self defense case in the news, and you're career is toast. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment. Just for NOT letting a felon kill them. it's not fair what victims are put through these days.

The new Banana Republic is bizarro world. I'd crush their tombstones on the anniversary of that day every year.

 

[bdickens]

That doesn’t really matter. Without more information there really isn’t anything to discuss. I’ll leave this open in case some more details surface, but right now all we know is that there was a home invasion and two intruders were shot. Nothing to analyze or discuss. ST&T isn’t where we all cheer because it looks like the good guy won one.

I threw that out there as an FYI.

It does matter because Texas is a little weird in this regard and this fact should be remembered in case there ever is anything worth discussing. Once again, the mere fact that a case was referred to the Grand Jury itself means nothing.

 

[Jeff White]

Once again, the mere fact that a case was referred to the Grand Jury itself means nothing.

I don't think it necessarily means anything in a lot of states. Here in Illinois the states attorneys often refer cases to the grand jury to absolve themselves of public accountability when it comes to a charging decision.

 

[Clipper67]

As a homeowner, and a Texan, I am grateful that I have the second amendment on my side. Castle Doctrine is strongly supported here. However all is not rosy..My barber was invaded late one evening about 5 years back. He defended himself with a black powder pistol, killed the invader, and the headline grabber DA tried to indict him...Jerry came out OK, but it cost him a great deal of money to defeat the charge (former DA, failed in the next election) Same city, different county.

 

[Kleanbore]

As a homeowner, and a Texan, I am grateful that I have the second amendment on my side.

The right to possess arms exists in almost all US jurisdictions, and the right to carry exists in most.

Castle Doctrine is strongly supported here

Castle doctrine exists in most states.

My barber was invaded late one evening about 5 years back. He defended himself with a black powder pistol, killed the invader, and the headline grabber DA tried to indict him...Jerry came out OK, but it cost him a great deal of money to defeat the charge

We don't know enough to discuss that case here.

 

[Roknstevo]

Bwaa, haha. The inconvenience of being arrested and interrogated by the Gestapo, would by far, create anger that would outweigh any guilt.

Why feel guilty for meat sacks that have possibly ruined your life and career?

And yes, justifiable fatal self defense, would be a job killer at many companies. They'll use another reason to let you go, but the end result is the same.

One of the largest corporate companies out there, forces their employee's to donate thousands of dollars to United way. If you don't donate enough, they'll tell you about it. If you don't correct it, your fired for coming in a little late once, four months ago. Although their pay more than compensates for such things, it's still wrong.

A self defense case in the news, and you're career is toast. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment. Just for NOT letting a felon kill them. it's not fair what victims are put through these days.

The new Banana Republic is bizarro world. I'd crush their tombstones on the anniversary of that day every year.

If someone attacks me or mine, I feel that they are putting their lives in my hands to do with as I deem necessary. Not a shred of guilt on my conscience. I was forced to kill a few times over 50 yrs ago, and I haven’t felt guilty for it in the least......

 

[Kleanbore]

If someone attacks me or mine, I feel that they are putting their lives in my hands to do with as I deem necessary.

Keep in mind that whatever you do, other people will decide what you did was necessary, reasonable, and other wise lawful.

Not a shred of guilt on my conscience.

Okay...but you will likely experience all kinds of other angst and worry.

 

[Bennj]

As a new shooter some years ago I exhibited a bit of bravado regarding my position on self defense. After much pondering and accumulation of information, I pray that I would never be put in the position of having to take another's life. If given no other choice, I hope I would do whatever would be necessary to protect myself or loved ones from imminent harm, but nothing I own is worth another's life.

 

[rbernie]

I hope I would do whatever would be necessary to protect myself or loved ones from imminent harm, but nothing I own is worth another's life.

Since property crimes in the presence of the property owners pretty much requires the threat of death or serious bodily injury, how are you gonna know the difference?

 

[Kleanbore]

Since property crimes in the presence of the property owners pretty much requires the threat of death or serious bodily injury, how are you gonna know the difference?

Exactly!

 

[Scbadvr]

As a new shooter some years ago I exhibited a bit of bravado regarding my position on self defense. After much pondering and accumulation of information, I pray that I would never be put in the position of having to take another's life. If given no other choice, I hope I would do whatever would be necessary to protect myself or loved ones from imminent harm, but nothing I own is worth another's life.

Just have to remember if you're ever in that situation the criminal has already decided something you own is worth more than his life.

 

[WestKentucky]

It’s a bit off topic, but since there is so little to actually discuss that is on topic for this thread... I wonder how many victims like the homeowner struggle with guilt and shame to a point that they take their own life. Similarly, a lot more police officers die by their own bullet each year than many folks would think, were they put into a no-win scenario and have to deal with the aftermath but can’t? If something ever happens to me or my family then you’d better believe I will take action to protect me and mine, but for mental health’s sake, if that ever does become a reality I hope that all of us can mentally process and handle whatever happens. I doubt my kids could based upon their backgrounds, and if they couldn’t then it would be even harder on me. So what’s it worth? My 65” tv was $449, computer similar cost, cell phone roughly the same... so is your mental health worth the two grand or so worth of stuff you trade it for? Nah, just let the guys walk with your stuff if they aren’t trying to hurt you or your family.

 

[JohnKSa]

I wonder how many victims like the homeowner struggle with guilt and shame to a point that they take their own life.

I don't know of statistics or studies done on that. It definitely causes some people some issues--I think the circumstances of it play a big part. I imagine that a person who is badly injured and nearly dies in the encounter would be less likely to feel guilt than someone who survives completely unscathed.

Part of the difficulty of the aftermath can be that others treat the defender differently. There are practical considerations like employers who don't appreciate the publicity of an employee who has killed or injured someone in a self-defense incident. But then there can also be family issues--where family members have difficulty processing the situation.

There are so many variables.

So what’s it worth? My 65” tv was $449, computer similar cost, cell phone roughly the same... so is your mental health worth the two grand or so worth of stuff you trade it for? Nah, just let the guys walk with your stuff if they aren’t trying to hurt you or your family.

Yup. If you can get out of a potential deadly force situation with only property loss, that's a win.

That said, if someone breaks into an occupied house, you don't want to immediately assume they're only after stuff, or that if they get the stuff they're after they will be willing to leave everyone in the house unmolested.

Also, it's unwise to assume that you are in control of a situation just because it's remained non-violent so far--or that if it does go sideways that having a gun and a plan will guarantee success.

Things can turn very ugly very quickly and when they do, things can easily spin out of control. I watched one video with three officers, all armed, confronting a man with a knife. He was initially tased ineffectively and then charged one of the officers. In spite of the other two officers ready with weapons already trained on him, he made it to the officer he chose to attack before the hail of bullets took him down. Had it been just one officer, it's likely that severe injuries would have been inflicted.