"Homeland defense rifles"

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This was posted by Grim on Assault Web. Sounds like a VERY GOOD idea. I don't own just guns, rifles, assault weapons any more. They're all "HOMELAND DEFENSE RIFLES".


I don't know where it got started, or who coined it....but the term "Homeland Defense Rifle" became a good laugh for us all. But after thinking about, I feel it isn't a joke. I feel we should go out of our way to make that a keyword amongst the Law Abiding gun owner/shooter community (and all splinters of it). Why? Well, because that's what they have ALWAYS been, but now a gracious and well defined name has come to light. If you use the term to the point enough, it will stick.

We all know that "Assault Rifles" by modern times definition is false. Assault rifle meant select fire...etc.....BUT a few Democrats and Leftwingers got a hold of it and plastered it all over till' it became a newly defined word/term. We embraced it mostly for the humor & shock value. "Yeah, I own guns, I have some old lever actions, a revolver....OH, and a few 'assault rifles' (then a good laugh as you mock the term)

But, its not OUR term, it was handed to us by the enemy to scare the sheeple. So why should we continue using it? I didn't buy my AK style rifles for hunting, I sure as hell didn't buy them for marksmanship related shooting events, I bought them as a tool of defense and deterrence to those that want to threaten me in any form, whether a criminal attacking my home or a power attacking my rights.

So I feel we should take this new term that WE chose, that describes OUR 'tools' for what they really are and have ALWAYS been. These, my friends, are the freeman's modern day musket. My dream as of now, is to see that this new DESCRIPTIVE DEFINITION, LABEL, TERM, WHATEVER be used SO COMMONLY that the lefties actually bring it up on CNN, FOXNEWS etc.... Let them scoff, let them 'spin' this, try to mock it, hell, LET THEM MOCK IT, BUT.....DON'T back down, don't flinch, continue using it till' it is forced into the sheeples mind. If the powers that be wanna use fear of terrorism to justify their actions, them I for damn sure will use it to CLARIFY my reason for owning these weapons. They expect us to **** in our pants.....they show videos of terrorists training with 'Military weapons', Well guess what, You can't put a cat in a dog fight. Lets use their "fear factor" against them, lets not only coin this new label, lets MINT it!!

From now on, every time you make a post, or are in a conversation with a sheeple or even a fellow Patriot, and the need comes to use the term 'Assault Rifle'----catch yourself and use the RIGHT term "Homeland Defense Rifle"......Put pressure on Major dealers to start using the phrase in their advertising,"ON SALE This Week: Homeland Defense Rifles..." Lets turn this tide in OUR favor for once.

Think it about......please, this is a bigger deal then you think. I know it sounds a bit silly at first, or even a bit pointless, but look at the BIG picture. The existing term was used to disarm us, as well as "Non-Sporting features/rifle" Let them try to deny us our "Homeland Defense Rifles" How does that sound. If it is used enough, it will be a forced vocabulary, the media will mock it at first or ignore it, but if we PERSIST without hesitation, then the term will be set in stone, as well as the hearts & minds of many. Please help me make this a reality
 
I don't hunt, and have no interest in hunting at all. I also don't like refering to the US as my "homeland." I'm natural born, as patriotic as the next guy, and active in local poltics to boot. But "homeland" just seems too authoritarian to me. The German's have their "fatherland," and the soviets had their "mother russia." The leftist black radicals have their "motherland."

I have "Home Defense Equipment," (Remington 870), an "Emergency Safety Devices" (S&W 9mm, a rifle) and will soon be getting a permit to carry a concealed hand... er... "Discrete Defensive Tool" (S&W 640)

If possible, i.e. if it makes sense in context, I prefer to avoid using the words "gun," "firearm," "weapon," or "rifle/pistol/shotgun" and to call them devices or tools. I see them as being no different than a fire extinguisher. They both solve problems I hope I never encounter, and I intnd to make sure my childrencan use both.
 
I don't hunt, and have no interest in hunting at all. I also don't like refering to the US as my "homeland." I'm natural born, as patriotic as the next guy, and active in local poltics to boot. But "homeland" just seems too authoritarian to me. The German's have their "fatherland," and the soviets had their "mother russia." The leftist black radicals have their "motherland."

No big fan myself of the "Homeland" term but we are rather stuck with it so we may as well make the most of it we can. I understood there was consulting going on with Ex-KGB leaders for advisors so I'm surprised it didn't end up being called "Ministry of Homeland Security" instead of "Department of Homeland Security".
 
Defense Rifle sounds good to me.

"Homeland" is tripe, and too easily invokes thoughts of the "Department of Homeland Security," which I find almost as funny as the "Patriot Act" moniker. It's not about the homeland, it's about my person and my personal rights, regardless of the the country I stand in.
 
Don't really see how the term "Democrats" helps advance the cause all that much. Got some Dem gunnies on this board - no, I'm not a Dem.
Just a thought...

Biker:)
 
If Germany could have its Office of Fatherland Security why not have a Department of Homeland Security. I am surprised though they would name something similar to the Reichssicherheitshauptamt and Schutzstaffel or for short the SS.

There must be a better term then homeland security rifle though. Its kind of a tacky term.
 
I'm in! I'll use the term 'homeland defense rifle" till I'm blue in the face. This is such a great idea.

Changing our terminolgy is THE smartest way to short circuit the grabbers attempts at getting uneducated voters to support their trampling of our rights.

Everyone needs to put the "other" term to rest, and start using this one.

If you think the term sounds stupid, or tacky....well.....get over it and use it anyway. This is a loaded term meant to confuse the uninformed or uneducated, and I think it will work. See, this term doesnt scare the soccer moms that will otherwise all vote for Hillary just because they share the same plumbing. It's all in perception, folks. If this term became prevelant enough in the media, it would kill attempts at AWB's.
 
"Homeland" has given me the creeps since I incredulously heard the coining of "Homeland Security".

American Defense Rifle is ok by me though. :)
 
I really don't want anyone confusing my rifle with any association with those rights grabbers over at DHS. They might start getting the idea that they need it to fight the terrorists.
 
How about "homeowners defensive rifle" or "medium range personal protection weapon". Semantics play a big part in debate. So far the antis have been able to make up any definition they want to demonize objects. We can learn from that and create our own descriptions and definitions.
 
Yes, but we all need to use the SAME TERM, otherwise it will be ineffective. Homeland defense rifle works, because, in definition, thats what the hell the thing is.
 
Since the debate is mainly about "homeland," why not just knock it off? "Defense Rifle." 2 words, 3 syllables. Relates it to "Assault Rifle" linquistically and sets DR up as an easy replacement--it's all about that first word, and whether the purpose is attacking or defending.

"Defense Rifle" -- simple & clear
 
I have not found a non-akward term for these yet.

Homeland Defense Rifle = "homeland" is a creepy word, and "defense" is awfully vague. Further, there's nothing in that name to distinguish it from any other bolt or lever rifle, at which point you might as well just call it "a rifle".
I was rather impressed with Kel-Tec's term: "Sport Utility Rifle", but that's a bit glib and silly. Plus it plays into the anti stereotype that gun owners are pseudo-outdoorsman macho wannabes.


Were it up to me, I'd stick to reclaiming the term "assault rifle" (not "assault weapon"). As in, "yeah, it's an assault rifle, yeah it's legal, so what?" Pro-gunners used to use the term for semi-auto military-descended firearms back before the antis started screaming about it.

When an anti whines about assault rifles, our saying "Nuh-uh! An assault rifle blahblahblah NFA 1934 buzzbuzz Sturgewehr buzzbuzzbuzz tightly controlled and registered $200 stamp dibbitydah" causes eyes to glaze over, and we win nothing. In AR is just an M16A4 without a 3rd burst (which most folks don't use anyway), why be disingenous about it?

Reclaiming pejorative terms has worked for many American groups.

-MV
 
I respectfully disagree and have a difference of opinion with bill larry that it "Homeland defense rifle works, because, in definition, thats what the hell the thing is."

The second ammendment mentions that no where. The 2A was put into place to ensure the rights of the people, not defend the homeland. To imply that the preservation of the state is above the Rights of the people is in fact the exact opposite of the intent...
 
Look, this is not a matter of me saying that the preservation of the state is above the rights of the people. Didnt say it, didnt imply it, don't believe it.

However, the term is a gimmik and will work on the dumb, who constitute a large portion of the anti gun movement (uneducated, flippant, knee-jerking, non-history learning, etc...) They sling verbal crap all the time, lets sling some back. It doesnt have to make sense. Do any of their arguments??

Dont get hung up on the homeland part. My homeland is my area from the street to my back fence and then to the neighbors house, ya dig?
 
Yeah, but People's Defense Rifle sounds like something from a 3rd world militia.

Kinda of plain, but I always liked "Self-Loading Rifle"

Does it really matter? The media picks words for hype and sound-byte qualities, not accuracy, relevance, or precision.
 
Gimmicks

Dosen't sound like the high road. I just call my rifle what it is; a rifle. So what if it is an AP4, or an old lever action 30-30.

You might think that you can not educate people to a level where they can not make an intelligent decision and you probably are right. In that case our cause is near hopeless anyway. But trying to fool people into thinking that something isn't what it is, is stooping and just a bad idea.
 
I just don't see it as a bad idea.

Think of it as a marketing tactic. If we're just talking euphemisms, I'd call ALL of my guns "life-preservation tools" or conversly "killing tools". Homeland defense rifle sounds better than assault rifle, or killing tool. Who really cares about the semantics of the word "homeland". It's the by-word of our current crop of idiots in DC. It's media friendly.

The people that want to take away our guns are going to go after the EBR's first. Well, lets change the name of 'em and see what they say, eh?
 
Hmmm...... I dunno.

I remember when Bush wanted to stop calling the freaking Muslim fanatics "suicide bombers" and start calling them "homicide bombers"

That sounded about as dumb as anything I'd heard at the time. Kind of grating - like fingernails on a blackboard (or is it more PC to call it a greenboard?).

I own quite a variety of rifles - bolts, levers, semis. And as far as I'm concerned, not a one of them is an assault rifle. Can't recall a single time I assaulted anybody with one.

But everything has to have a catchy name, eh? It's all about sound bites.

:barf:
 
Good luck with your endeavor. You appear earnest in your desire to help, but I don't think this is the way. I wouldn't expect a big rally.
 
New name idea

How about the term "American Defense Rifle"? Seems to fit. May not be a "homeleand", but this is America
 
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