Homeowner uses Assault Rifle in shootout with 3 teen suspects who had a pistol killing them all

[Browning]

https://www.11alive.com/mobile/arti...-laws/85-2a0328f9-f294-440a-82b5-8c82acd535e3

CONYERS, Ga. — A Rockdale County coroner identified the three teens accused in an attempted robbery who were killed early Monday morning.

They have been identified as Isaiah Reid, Jaime Hernandez and Brandon Gresham. Authorities initially said two were 16-years-old and one was 15.

https://www.11alive.com/mobile/arti...ified/85-5bcfc136-d240-4026-bc62-c7d0d39ca447

https://www.11alive.com/mobile/arti...-shot/85-09d038ed-6721-4d16-b10b-e04d5eda5aee


Jaimie Hernandez and Isaiah Reid

 

[Riomouse911]

I am always in wait and see mode when stories first start "breaking". Reporters, no matter the media, are in such a rush to put out something that they often get misinformation and promulgate it as gospel.

And that promulgation of misinformation is amplified by the misfits using social media to further an agenda.

Let’s hope the sun fully shines on this and allows a truly objective review of the facts.

And I agree that yes, the ages of the masked one(s) shooting at the robbery victims is irrelevant. No one cares how old a shooting suspect is when they’re being shot at.

Stay safe.

 

[Speedo66]

Not that it matters, but if they were masked, how could anyone determine their age anyway?

 

[Browning]

Just as an aside, if they were masked, how could anyone determine their age anyway?

They couldn’t. Doesn’t matter what their ages were, people aren’t supposed to resist period.

They’re supposed to comply with all commands of the robbers, rapists or murderers. If they’re still alive after the attack they’re supposed to call the police and then obey all their commands once they arrive on scene.

 

[FlSwampRat]

Not that it matters, but if they were masked, how could anyone determine their age anyway?

Asked for ID?
No, seriously, if this happened at 4AM, as reported, it was dark and someone was shooting, I'd return fire also.
Still in wait and see mode here.

 

[old lady new shooter]

"...prompting one of the residents, reportedly a male truck driver who owns a semi-automatic rifle and is protective of his mother, to return fire and shoot all three."

Man could have been heading out to work for all we know. Mother and other person could have been seeing him off.

It'll all come out in the wash.

He is a truck driver who was coming home from work, according to Andrew Branca's writeup today, which I'm going to start a separate thread on.

 

[jmorris]

Not that it matters, but if they were masked, how could anyone determine their age anyway?

As noted above, it doesn’t matter. It’s not even Monday morning quarterbacking, just using words to grab a tear or form outrage.

You know the videos of a group of teens beating someone unconscious for fun, they call it a “gang”. Takes away the personal responsibility of the individual teens have for each of their individually chosen actions.

I am pretty sure all here have been teenagers at some point and have had to make choices, good or bad. For me putting on a mask to go rob someone would have been an “I’m out” moment, in my life. For those three it was the end of theirs. Sad on many levels.

 

[Demi-human]

I've noticed it several times now.
Show of hands.

Who is NOT protective of their Mother?

I didn't think so.
I fear the spin of he being OVER-protective of his mother...

 

[ATLDave]

Overprotective against people actually shooting? Boy, THAT would be quite an argument!

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

I just love how in the first vid on page one in this thread that the reporters ask about the victims and the Sheriff starts to talk about the homeowner and the reporter says, "No, the victims."

 

[Demi-human]

Overprotective against people actually shooting? Boy, THAT would be quite an argument!

Not an argument, propaganda.
Just something I noticed. Like what @Good Ol' Boy is saying.

 

[buck460XVR]

Multiple interviews different news agencies conducted show people reporting they initially heard handgun/smaller caliber gun shot(s) followed by louder/rifle caliber shots. This correlates with the report the victim and family made that 3 masked intruders shot first and the victim returned fire.

I was referring to as if the youths returned fire, when they were fired on. Most would be gang-bangers flee at the first sign of resistance. They are cowards....generally why they like to use drive by shooting techniques. This is especially true when the shooters are 16 years old and younger, like the victims were.

The totality of the circumstances will need to be considered here and the apparent legal risk to the homeowner is that he continued firing after the threat to him and others was over.
We shall see.

This is where I was coming from. Far too often we see stories of a legitimate SD shoot turning sour because they store-owner chased the perp out of the store to shoot them, or finished off a wounded perp lying helpless on the floor.

Police found all three masked intruders on the driveway. One died at the scene and two later died at the hospital. If gunfight took place in the driveway and the threat was still in the driveway, I would consider threat still active. If I was the homeowner and one of three masked intruders pulled out a gun, I would naturally assume the others were armed too and once shooting started, any dispersal movement by the intruders (especially towards other family members present) would be taken as flanking movement to increase intruders' vantage and/or attempt to harm/take a family member hostage, and would still pose an immediate threat, especially since other family members present faced the same immediate threat.

Under certain scenarios, I might have a similar view. But I don't know exactly what the scenario was, none of us do, and what you or I consider a threat means moot, compared to what a DA and a Jury thinks. The signs plastered out front, while they should have no bearing, will most likely be considered under the premise of intent. One of the boys was found, in a near-by cul-de-sac with a gunshot wound to the head. This from a report released just an hour ago.

I'm am not arguing for or against either the boys or the homeowner......cause I don't have enough of the facts. I do believe the boys were in the wrong to start with and the homeowner definitely had the right to defend himself and others around him with deadly force. But there is a very thin line between self defense and vigilantism, and sometimes an individual's perceptions of them are mixed. Still, age and weapons have no bearing on what dictates self defense.

 

[Walkalong]

Bottom line if they didn't try robbing someone none of this would have happened. Maybe it's me but I'm reading a slant in the story for the suspects.

Not just you.

If they'd murdered him and his family, I HIGHLY doubt that they'd have missed a second's sleep over it.

Nobody should feel "remorse" for not allowing himself (nevermind his family) to be slaughtered.

Amen to that.

 

[Walkalong]

No decent person is unaffected by the taking of another's life.

True, but irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Lycidas Janwor]

Not that it matters, but if they were masked, how could anyone determine their age anyway?

This is what I've been thinking the entire time I'm reading this thread. 1. it was early morning/dark and probably low-lighted area and 2. the perps were wearing masks so how can anyone know how old they are?

It sounds to me like the home owner had his gun either immediately accessible or literally right there on the front porch with him. The perps targeted the home with the intent to rob, probably saw the home owner move quickly to retrieve his weapon, and upon seeing the home owner move quickly the one perp fired shots at home owner? The home owner then quickly returned fire which included firing at all three perps, probably assuming all the robbers potentially had a weapon. Two of the perps dropped immediately and the third perp ran a little ways before dropping in neighbors yard.

 

[Deanimator]

The perpetrators got an F- in victim selection skills.

And those are probably the most dangerous ones, lacking in intelligence, reasoning ability and impulse control.

If they'd murdered the man and his family, when asked why they did it, you'd be lucky to get a shrug instead of a smirk.

No doubt their families raised them to die in just that way and they fulfilled what passed for their "destiny".

 

[Kleanbore]

The law allows people to respond to threats or force without fear of criminal prosecution.

The actor will be immune from criminal prosecution only after he or she has persuaded the court that the response met all of the elements of lawful self-defense.

 

[JONWILL]

Multiple interviews different news agencies conducted show people reporting they initially heard handgun/smaller caliber gun shot(s) followed by louder/rifle caliber shots. This correlates with the report the victim and family made that 3 masked intruders shot first and the victim returned fire.

From the article

One of the attempted robbery suspects purportedly brandished a handgun and fired shots at the residents before one returned fire

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

One of my local tv stations posted this story on FB. Their tag line read " the 3 victims included one 15 year old and two 16 year olds".

 

[jmorris]

Libs, changing the definition of words since the first Clinton...

“It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.”

I suppose one could say they were a victim of circumstance, in that they were unaware their intended victim was armed too.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I wonder if the last one of these degenerates to get hit was thinking "We picked the wrong house." as his fellow criminal buddies were dropping over.

I hate to hear about any young person losing their life, because the young are so easily influenced and manipulated that I really do think they can be rehabilitated in most cases. But when they are so far gone that they are willing to murder in order to rob and steal, the hell with them. The entire incident is really unfortunate. The loss of life is unfortunate on a basic scale, valuing human life and all. However, I am extremely glad for the home owner that they had the right tool to defend their home, the knowhow of how to use that tool, and that our liberties have not been so infringed to take away that tool and force a law abiding citizen to use a less capable tool for the job, and perhaps lose their life in the process.

 

[Legionnaire]

The three victims deceased included one 15-year-old and two 16-year-olds.

There. Fixed it for you.

 

[hso]

PM a Moderator when some more real information is available, like the home owner being ruled as using self defense, the deceased past armed criminal record. There's way to much guessing and rationalization going on in this thread to make it valuable any longer.