Homerland Sekurity saves us from EXPLODING SCHOOLBUSES..?

[redbearde]

Sorry, Biker. It's just not that simple. Unless you really do want to live in that dreaded "police state."
So what would "secure borders" look like to you?

A concrete wall and/or a sufficiently large number of landmines will do the trick just fine.

:banghead:

 

[Merkin.Muffley]

Since they seem to be moving security down to the lowest common denominator (school bus drivers) - why not go one step further and arm the kids? Put them in charge of their own security, not some stoner with a part time job driving a school bus. I'm not proposing arming the kids when they're at school - they could leave their weapons on the bus when at school, and pick them when they board the bus for the ride home.

 

[joab]

Hunting clubs and reserves all over the south buy quantities of fertilizer large enough to make several bombs, every spring. Just give the farmers supply the money and haul it off in their spreader.

I'll take that as a no answer.

large quantities of fertilizer are recorded and reported now days and there's a form they fill out for large purchases from new or unfamiliar customers.
The company I worked for routinely bought it in multiple tons as part of their business so we were on record as legitimate users
Some yahoo off the street backing a Ryder truck into the loading bay is not going to meet with as much cooperation
There's a big sign informing you of this at every point of sale I have been to in the last three years at least
We also were required to keep records of where it went and could be and were auditted routinely

 

[Aguila Blanca]

So other than you hatred of Bush, or "King George" as you call him, what is the problem with school bus drivers watching out for things that could endanger the children that have been put in the care?

No problem.

But it's a useless initiative. I've sat through a couple of days of government anti-terrorism training. The bottom line? "We can't predict where they will strike next because we KNOW they will strike where we don't expect it."

Honest. That's the official line. So exactly WHAT are they going to teach bus drivers to look out for? Does anyone seriously believe that a self-respecting terrorist group is going to have the SAME person standing on the SAME street corner, wearing the SAME clothes, every day for three weeks straight? Or follow the SAME school bus in the SAME car every day for three weeks? Gimme a break.

This is just more feel-good stuff, and a way for the Feds to through some consulting money at some favored sons who need to put in some face time to justify a ridiculous consulting fee for putting this idiot program together.

 

[joab]

Does anyone seriously believe that a self-respecting terrorist group is going to have the SAME person standing on the SAME street corner, wearing the SAME clothes, every day for three weeks straight? Or follow the SAME school bus in the SAME car every day for three weeks?

No i don't which is why I think that this is not a bad idea

If three or four drivers notice the same type of activity on different parts of town there will be a place for reports of those observations to be sent to
As it is three or four drivers that see something odd even if they do report it higher up it does not go in the pile with the other observations and no pattern emerges.

This is the gist of the complaints about the failures of 9/11

There were plenty of warning signs but nobody was cooperating with each other.
If they had a pattern may have emerged and something might have been done to stop them.

 

[Old Dog]

A concrete wall and/or a sufficiently large number of landmines will do the trick just fine.

Good luck with that. Apparently you haven't spent much time along any of our borders.

I have concluded that there are many on this forum who, though they may clamor mightily for some sign that our security interests are taken seriously, will clamor stridently and even more strongly against any initiative this government puts forth in the name of counter-terrorism efforts ... "Feel-good meaures!" ... "That's not enough!" ... "The borders must be secure!"

But, alas, thus far ... no practical or constructive suggestions of a specific nature come forth. The fact is, many of the measures suggested to "secure our borders" would actually adversely affect our own good citizens while still not keeping out those who would do us harm ...

People decry anti-terrorist measures they perceive impacting negatively upon our civil liberties, sarcastically dismiss benign, but low-cost and possibly beneficial programs while offering forth ideas ("big walls and landmines") that are even more stupid.

But it's a useless initiative. I've sat through a couple of days of government anti-terrorism training

Well, I've sat through (cumulatively) at least a couple of months worth of anti-terrorism training. And at this point, I'd have to say, along with improving our communication between agencies, services and locations, sometimes the simplest methods of detection are some of the most effective. The eyes of the ordinary citizen, familiar with his/her own terrority and the routines of all that transit through, constitute some of the best detection capabilities we can use to combat a non-traditional enemy.

 

[Autolycus]

"They" are not doing that here, at this point. Seems to me that at this time, energy and funds commited to this feel-good program would be better commited to preventing the potential Ts from gaining entry to this country, and failing that, tracking them down and deporting them as per the ICE mission statement.
Make sense to you?
Does to me.
Biker

Biker... HOW DARE YOU?!

Demanding the government fights the war on terror with logic and common senese...

Who do you think you are? A taxpayer? A concerned citizen? An American?

 

[LAK]

Just another manifestation of the NVKD at work in this country. Building and trying to protect their future.

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[Fred Fuller]

Most school buses spend half the day (the night-time half) sitting in school parking lots by the dozens/hundreds, or dispersed to the bus driver's home. We're so worried about stolen school buses, now we're going to hire school bus guards, right?

And the school bus drivers that are getting trained to be watchdogs for their communities- these are the same bus drivers that somehow fail to notice the rapes, assaults, thefts, bullying, etc. that is taking place on their own buses on a surprisingly regular basis. Yet they are going to keep an eye on the passing neighborhood? Right. And then do what- call in reports on their specially issued Bat- Phone?

lpl/nc

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