HOW BUSH "WON" 2004

[Boogyman]

You won't find this in the "liberal-controlled" media...

1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold
and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of
the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and
donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver
its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886

5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became
Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031004fitrakis.html

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family,
was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics
Committee.
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's
vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.html

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts
almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any
votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out
of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfindex.html

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all
of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm

11. Diebold is based in Ohio .
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm

12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to
help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the
votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml

13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when
it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts
of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant
by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning
software now used in most of the United States.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in
his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade
detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the
polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh.html

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security
was so bad.
http://blackboxvoting.org
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190

17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen
voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main632436.shtml

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and
reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOu
t.htm
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=
950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's
brother.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-2004Oct29.html

20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush --
have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending
further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeResearchStudiesBushIsOu
t.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,1080
1,97614,00.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/


DECEMBER 2004 GALLUP POLLS
1 in 5 Americans believe the elections were fraudulent. That's over 41
Million Americans.

 

[CAnnoneer]

I believe both elections were technically questionable, and would not be surprised at all if the results were altered significantly, but I must also say that this thread is not really gun related.

 

[beerslurpy]

It is much simpler. Bush won because they put gay marriage on the ballot in every state that was even partly close. This mobilized the christian evangelical vote.

The various conspiracy theories are unnecessary.

 

[fallingblock]

HOW BUSH "WON" 2004?

Haven't y'all figured it out yet?

Just a few more live Republicans voted than did dead Democrats.

And a good thing for gun owners, too.

 

[gc70]

My theory about the 2004 election

The Democrats spent so much negative energy complaining about the 2000 election that they didn't develop any positive energy for the 2004 election.

Looks like it is happening again...

 

[gc70]

My theory about the 2004 election

[duplicate]

 

[solareclipse]

before this gets locked.. i've no doubt he won the 2nd one. the first one however was given to him. can't change the past so why bother.

 

[Johnnybgood]

I have tried very hard not to do it

but I guess the time has come. *Looking around for some tinfoil* It's time I joined the tinfoil hat brigade.

 

[longeyes]

Okay, okay, it's the Diebold magic votes versus the phoney illegal alien votes. This is a dirty war. Deal with it.

 

[EghtySx]

I remember a time when the loser of an election shook hands with the winner and made a speech about how we should all get behind him. Then everyone worked together to get things done for the good of the people. And I'm not that old.

What we have now seems almost like a natural byproduct of a party system that has far outlived it's usefulness (if it ever had any). Maybe one day we can get rid of parties and then We The People can just vote for whichever candidate is best, and none of them will have any obligation to anyone but their constituents.

 

[rock jock]

Hey, Boogeyman, here's some advice: Bush won, your boy Scary John ("I lied about my war record") Kerry lost. Now, go have a glass of warm milk and a good cry.

 

[Rem700SD]

hmm...so this means that the dems only have to buy controlling interest in these companies to win? Hope Feinstein & Company don't find out about this....

 

[Boogyman]

Hey, Boogeyman, here's some advice: Bush won, your boy Scary John ("I lied about my war record") Kerry lost. Now, go have a glass of warm milk and a good cry.

New thread... BUSH/KERRY WAR RECORDS check it out while I'm having my milk and a good laugh.

 

[Rexrider]

Haven't you heard.......




........It's Bush's fault

 

[cracked butt]

1 in 5 Americans believe the elections were fraudulent. That's over 41
Million Americans.

With 50some million votes for Kerry, that would mean about 80% of Democrats are whiners.

 

[Boogyman]

I must also say that this thread is not really gun related.

Must you?
Your the one aways bringing up Bush in other topics, proclaiming him to be the greatest thing for RTKBA in 100 years.
Now's your chance to do it in a thread that's appropriate.
I'd say that was gun related...

 

[Phyphor]

OH FOR GOD'S SAKE

Can we please sh*tcan these stupid "BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION / KERRY IS A LIAR AND A FATMOUTH" type threads???

FFS, folks, the elections are OVER. We're stuck with Bush until his term ends, or he gets impeached (unlikely, )

These stupid threads just tend to degenerate (not that they have far to go) into mindless name-calling and accusations of being zealots for a particular party. NONE of this crap is remotely related to the purpose of THR, and in fact, stinks the place up like a week old dirty jock strap.

 

[Joejojoba111]

Whole thing seems unreal, the 2 main parties spend so much energy fighting each other, to get elected and take orders from the same people. I just wonder whether screwing the people is their primary goal or just incidental.

But that's definately a nice opening thread post, nominee for best documented argument?

 

[Devonai]

Ooo! Ooo! I wanna see Boogeyman discuss this with Jim March! I'd subscribe for that on Pay-Per-View!

 

[Marko Kloos]

These stupid threads just tend to degenerate (not that they have far to go) into mindless name-calling and accusations of being zealots for a particular party. NONE of this crap is remotely related to the purpose of THR, and in fact, stinks the place up like a week old dirty jock strap.

Agreed.