My Remington Police converts to a PGO by virtue of a factory folding stock. I have used this with buck and slugs in the 2 3/4 classification and still have all of my teeth. I also can actually hit what I am shooting at. It might not be for everybody but then I am not forcing my opinions on anybody.
how many rounds have you fired from a pistol grippped shotgun?
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frankiestoys
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Only a few , if i want to feel recoil i'll just load up some 357's in my sp 101
KBintheSLC
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None... I once bought a pistol grip "tactical" stock for my 870 Express, installed it, messed around a bit with it at home, decided I didn't like it one bit, removed it, and returned it the next day.
RX-178
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Side folding AR stock on a Mossberg Cruiser over here. Have practiced with it in PGO configuration. I honestly don't understand the whole PGO debate.
I store the weapon with the stock folded for space reasons. I practiced with the stock folded in case I had to use it without time or space to unfold the stock.
The statement that you can never fire a PGO comfortably, or hit what you're pointing it at is completely untrue. Now, I said pointing, not aiming. I hold it close to myself at chest level, where the arms naturally tighten up, index myself towards the target and fire. In my experience, getting hits out to 20 feet came pretty naturally to me, but that's just me, YMMV. In any case I can't imagine being able to hit targets at that distance being DIFFICULT for anyone if they use the method I described. Further than that takes some practice.
Lasers help, but aren't necessary, and they are expensive. In general, good lasers aren't cheap, and cheap lasers aren't any good, especially when you're talking about 12 gauge recoil. On a shotgun, a cheap laser can either come off the gun entirely, lose its zero (granted, not a HUGE issue with a shotgun), or just shut off and stop working.
Of course, it's also true that a PGO is never going to outperform a full stocked shotgun. There's no reason to even discuss that point further. As a rule of thumb I do not recommend pistol grip only shotguns to anyone who asks for my advice on weapons. If storage space is a factor, there are quality folding stocks on the market. If the folding stock STILL makes the shotgun too bulky? Well, then I'd say you have some very specific needs from your weapon, and a PGO MAY just fit those needs, but we're talking about some very specific conditions.
I store the weapon with the stock folded for space reasons. I practiced with the stock folded in case I had to use it without time or space to unfold the stock.
The statement that you can never fire a PGO comfortably, or hit what you're pointing it at is completely untrue. Now, I said pointing, not aiming. I hold it close to myself at chest level, where the arms naturally tighten up, index myself towards the target and fire. In my experience, getting hits out to 20 feet came pretty naturally to me, but that's just me, YMMV. In any case I can't imagine being able to hit targets at that distance being DIFFICULT for anyone if they use the method I described. Further than that takes some practice.
Lasers help, but aren't necessary, and they are expensive. In general, good lasers aren't cheap, and cheap lasers aren't any good, especially when you're talking about 12 gauge recoil. On a shotgun, a cheap laser can either come off the gun entirely, lose its zero (granted, not a HUGE issue with a shotgun), or just shut off and stop working.
Of course, it's also true that a PGO is never going to outperform a full stocked shotgun. There's no reason to even discuss that point further. As a rule of thumb I do not recommend pistol grip only shotguns to anyone who asks for my advice on weapons. If storage space is a factor, there are quality folding stocks on the market. If the folding stock STILL makes the shotgun too bulky? Well, then I'd say you have some very specific needs from your weapon, and a PGO MAY just fit those needs, but we're talking about some very specific conditions.
I have fired at least 2000 maybe more. I can reliably hit out to 25 yards with it although without the accuracy of a full stocked gun. I learned how to do this about 20 years. The LE agency I worked for had 14" barrel 870s with a pistol grip. You had to qualify with it (or any shotgun for that matter) by getting 5 slugs into the 4 or 5 zone at 25 yards. I would hold it like a big pistol to do this and never had any problem. I would usually only load with 00 for social occasions.
I liked a PGO shotgun for close in work moreso when I had to get in or out of a car or aircraft. They are far from the easiest gun to use but they do have a small niche in the usable firearm category.
I liked a PGO shotgun for close in work moreso when I had to get in or out of a car or aircraft. They are far from the easiest gun to use but they do have a small niche in the usable firearm category.
amd6547
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I refused to vote, since I have fired more than 100rds, have no problem hitting, and there is no appropriate vote option.
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Im with amd6547, Ive run 1000+ rounds thru my PGO shotgun and was able to hit things. mix of #7 and #8, 2 3/4-3" OO, OOO, and slugs. Was it as good as a shotgun with a stock? No. But I am capable with it.
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Hello friends and neighbors // dom1104 lol I watched that video.
Never tried aiming the Mossy PGO. I usually held it just above right hip and relied heavily on left hand gripping pump forearm tightly.
Never tried aiming the Mossy PGO. I usually held it just above right hip and relied heavily on left hand gripping pump forearm tightly.
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Hundreds.
That's why I do not own a PGO shotgun.
That's why I do not own a PGO shotgun.
MCgunner
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You cheated Darwin.
earlthegoat2
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Ive shot a few more than a thousand. Used to have to qualify with them.
I dont own a PGO nor will I ever. It takes thousands upon thousands of rounds to become proficient with one but even after all that practice a total noob could pick up one with a proper stock and outshoot you after minimal practice. They just arent user friendly.
I dont own a PGO nor will I ever. It takes thousands upon thousands of rounds to become proficient with one but even after all that practice a total noob could pick up one with a proper stock and outshoot you after minimal practice. They just arent user friendly.
earlthegoat2
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Thus the debate continues....
If we are talking about hallway distances then sure but real shotgun distances out to 15, 20 or 30 yds then give me a full stock and give me one for the close stuff too.
If we are talking about hallway distances then sure but real shotgun distances out to 15, 20 or 30 yds then give me a full stock and give me one for the close stuff too.
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I put the Knoxx (now Blackhawk) "Breachers Grip" on my Mossy Cruiser. It has a spring that absorbs most of the recoil. Shooting from a cross body position, I could shoot that all day.
I suspect that most of the "I'd never have a P/G shotgun" posters have never owned one or shot one, they just follow the majority opinion.
I have that gun for a specific purpose, as it's not for hunting, trap or clays.
I use 2 3/4" buckshot in reduced recoil, and it has less recoil than my friends 20ga.
The very people who berate the P/G shotgun because you need to "aim" it, are the same ones who advocate "point" shooting a handgun.
Go figure.
I may actually get a .410 pump for home defense also. I think that's the ticket.
I suspect that most of the "I'd never have a P/G shotgun" posters have never owned one or shot one, they just follow the majority opinion.
I have that gun for a specific purpose, as it's not for hunting, trap or clays.
I use 2 3/4" buckshot in reduced recoil, and it has less recoil than my friends 20ga.
The very people who berate the P/G shotgun because you need to "aim" it, are the same ones who advocate "point" shooting a handgun.
Go figure.
I may actually get a .410 pump for home defense also. I think that's the ticket.
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so the Knoxx breachers grip is that dramatic huh? How would a grip like that hold up over time, properly maintained and looked after of course?
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I've shot a buddy's quite a bit - enough to become proficient at short range. this is with el-cheapo ammo, #7 shot and 2-3/4" shells, relatively low power. I'm game to try full-house Buckshot loads.
a Mossberg with the pistol grip.
a Mossberg with the pistol grip.
walker944
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I've got a pistol grip only on my Maverick 88, but it's for home defense only. It's not like I'm even going to think it's an acceptable dove hunting shotgun...what idiot would. I've fired a few shells through it so that I've comfortable and understand the recoil properties of a PGO shotgun. Other than that I have no need or use to shoot it for any other reason.
I had a single shot 12 gauge that I (many, many years ago) cut the stock down to just a pistol grip and sawed the barrel down to the minimal legal length. I was probably about 28 at the time, and couldn't wait to shoot it. Thought I'd shoot it one handed. That was a mistake. The wood grip was fairly smooth, and when I pulled the trigger the latteral thumb break that sits on top of the grip shot right into the webbing of my thumb and forefinger. It was a "one shot, now let's get in the truck and head home" kind of situation. Needed to clean up the blood and the wound. After that I put a rubber wrap around grip on it and loved it, until it was stolen in a home burglary about 4 yrs ago.
I had a single shot 12 gauge that I (many, many years ago) cut the stock down to just a pistol grip and sawed the barrel down to the minimal legal length. I was probably about 28 at the time, and couldn't wait to shoot it. Thought I'd shoot it one handed. That was a mistake. The wood grip was fairly smooth, and when I pulled the trigger the latteral thumb break that sits on top of the grip shot right into the webbing of my thumb and forefinger. It was a "one shot, now let's get in the truck and head home" kind of situation. Needed to clean up the blood and the wound. After that I put a rubber wrap around grip on it and loved it, until it was stolen in a home burglary about 4 yrs ago.
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I have a PGO Mossberg 500 12 ga 20" barrel shotgun and it does what it was designed for, door to door close range combat. I can shoot as well with the PGO only as with a butt stock equipped weapon up to 20 - 25 yards. I have had the barrel ported to reduce barrel rise and recoil, barrel rise was reduced but not much reduction in the recoil. I use my shotgun for HD loaded with one BB round and 7 slugs.
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Shoot a pistol grip only (PGO) equipped shotgun like you do a handgun from retention position: hold the pistol grip against the side of your chest, your firing hand thumb tucked up underneath your pectoral muscle, your firing arm pointing straight back (not chicken winged) to absorb recoil, and the top of the receiver canted slightly away from your body.
You can also shoot a pistol grip, full stock (PGFS) and traditional stock equipped shotgun in the same manner.
You can also shoot a pistol grip, full stock (PGFS) and traditional stock equipped shotgun in the same manner.
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Are we talking about PGO shotguns or Pistol Grips? There is an important difference here I need to know before I respond.
Didn't vote because there isn't an appropriate response for 1000+. What's the big deal with a PGO shotgun? If you can't hit anything with one, go to the range and practice. It's no more difficult to hit your target from the hip with a PGO shotgun than it is to hit your target with a SA revolver from the hip during quick draw. If it ever becomes painful to the muscles or joints, then I'm going to have to give up wood chopping, carpentry work, jogging, bicycling and a lot of other fun things in life...the wife sure won't be happy.
I have fired probably around 50. I won a Mossberg 835 in matte black with the plastic furniture and I took the stock off to fix the problem with the L.O.P. and replaced the original stock with a collapsible from ATI -- and I LOVE it. That gun is so stable now when I shoot slugs out of it and Turkey hunting is phenomenal! That's primarily what I use it for is Turkey and Deer Hunting. I just went to the range a week ago to throw some slugs through it and I shot a 5 shot group that had a 4" spread at a 150 yards. That'll do it for me. The pistol grip really makes for a much more stable hold as far as I'm concerned.
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