How to Avoid "Deer in Headlights" Stance?

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But isn't there a distinction between Code Yellow movement and Code Orange movement? It seems to me that in the first case I'm still moving to my day-to-day goals with general situational awareness. If it's Orange and something potentially bad is already happening, then don't I need to be adjusting my plan? So instead of continuing to walk across the road and potentially right across a bank robber's line of fire, I would alter my route.
 
You may be in Code Yellow awareness, but your response is Code White (not moving). In Code Yellow, you would already be moving. Code Orange, to me is moving and planning counter move.

The only time moving is bad is:
1. you move into the path of greater danger...into an oncoming car
2. during a tsunami or gas attack... which would envelope you anyway
 
Cosmoline-

Condition Yellow means you are going about your business, but always have a backup plan, escape route, or cover available to you. You are going one place, but have in your mind a plan to move somewhere else if your primary plan comes unglued. If you have no cover available, you're either in Condition White, or consciously taking that risk and knowing the nature of that risk.

If there is a commotion, you keep moving- going about your business, executing Plan A. While you are moving, you assess what the commotion is, what it means, and whether or not it is a threat to you.

If you determine it is a threat, you go to Condition Orange. Instead of going about your business, you execute the backup plan you made while in Condition Yellow. You move to cover, and while moving there make the plan for how you will respond to the threat. Moving to cover is not a response to a threat. It is what you do so that you can choose a response from a safer place.

Once you have gone to Condition Orange, Plan A is discarded. Plan B is the new primary objective, and you must start making a new backup plan immediately. You move to cover, and think of what you are going to do to break contact, or confront the threat, if necessary.

Keeping moving is not simply a matter of keeping your body going on a predetermined path from point A to point B. You keep your mind moving, as well- always looking for the next escape route and the next viable cover, and always ready to discard a plan that has outlived its usefulness.
 
Take a look at http://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/2008/01/ and see if it gives you any ideas. I don't know if it will help or not but it's worth reading no matter what.

Basically, increasing mental agility is one possible answer- learning to run your OODA loop faster and in a more directed fashion. It really is more mental than physical...

“Get the best training you can afford. But train with the understanding that firearms practice is about 75% physical and 25% mental. However, a gun fight is about 25% physical and 75% mental.” -- Clint Smith (quoted at http://www.safeism.com/pdfs/MWthoughts.pdf

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On the plus, I was ready to draw and aim if "drop it" had referred to a criminal's firearm.

Word of the wise: If the police were there, or security for that matter, and had the "gunman" at gunpoint don't draw your gun and play back up. At the least it will mess things up in their minds because they don't know who your are or what your intentions are, at worst it could have tragic results.

The "deer in the headlights" reaction is something that has to be conditioned out of you either by dynamic training or real life "Holy crap!" moments. It's one of the hardest things to get rid of because it is in contrast to your biological instinct to stand there, stiffen up, and look around.
 
I'm assuming the ineffectual and unarmed security person would have been the first shot. As it turned out he couldn't even stop the shoplifter. She just jogged off. And obviously if an LEO is there and not shot down yet, it's entirely their show. Though again getting out of the way is still critically important and standing there is still stupid.
 
Still hunting would be good training for this. Not just because you're constantly searching for and using cover with a gun in your hands but because I can't remember when the last time I took an offhand shot was (excepting shotguns). With rifles and pistols I always brace myself against something (tree, rock, stump) or I assume a low position that offers steadier aim (kneeling, sitting, prone).

I've been still hunting my whole life and what you describe is not a problem for me. This type of hunting gets you very close to game. It can take hours to cover a relatively short distance. When an animal explodes from cover it scares the bejezus out of you... But they can't outrun a well aimed bullet.
 
I think your response to this was appropriate. You attentively watched a relatively benign situation unfold. No threat was presented, no counter-action was warranted. It's what I would have done.

If you want to train to respond to everything, pretty soon you're ducking for cover every time someone's car backfires or tire blows out.
 
I used to curse my dad for always drilling me about being aware of my environment, take stock of the situation, listen to your first instinct, do what I need to do to get out of it, etc etc.

It's not like he taught me any killer martial arts moves, he just enforced using common sense survival behavior.

I thought he was just being a crazy war vet, but it did end up saving my life on more than one occasion.

He taught the same thing to my sister. One day the bank she worked at was held up by two mean with shotguns. EVERYone in the bank froze except for her as she ran out the back door and took cover in one of the nearby stores where she called the cops.
After a 5 hour standoff the cops arrested the men.

I don't know how I would react in every dire situation, but it's nice to have that little bit of confidence.
 
The problem is I once again pulled my stupid face and stood there frozen during the initial scuffle. I was in plain sight, and completely failed to utilize any cover. Even though a pillar not ten feet from me would have been ideal. On the plus, I was ready to draw and aim if "drop it" had referred to a criminal's firearm. But other than my right arm I was frozen.
Unless you had a specific threat aimed directly at you, drawing would be a bad idea. Miight be cops or Joe Bloggs yelling at a BadGuy; you draw, and now cops or Mr Bloggs think you are a supporting second BG they were unaware of.

Coming out of any entrance one should be at least observing a minimum of 180 degrees, increasing as you make distance from the building. Observatiuon will usually raise the first flag.

Regardless of flags, a visual observation is nearly always necessary before action is taken. There really is, with some exceptions, no such thing as instant action without any visual observation and analysis.

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Well by the time the threat is aimed directly at you, it's too late. Anyway if there are LEO's it's a different scenario. But either way I think I'd need to be moving to cover at a minimum.
 
Well by the time the threat is aimed directly at you, it's too late. Anyway if there are LEO's it's a different scenario. But either way I think I'd need to be moving to cover at a minimum.
Not necessarily; there has to be some observation to actually identify the threat. And the keyword is identify; you must make sure (as far as reasonably possible) you know your target - is it a goodguy or a badguy. In doing so you will also know whether or not it is aimed at you.

Yes, moving is a generally good idea, if nothing else you are now a moving target as opposed to a stationary one.

However a trio or more scuffling among themselves and shouting at 50 yards should not be a reason for a rash rapid move until you know some more of what is going on. Simply moving on impulse might be putting you closer to an even greater as yet not undetected threat associated with the intial group. Being ready to move fast would be a more appropriate idea under the circumstance described in my opinion.

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Interesting discussion on awareness & OODA.

It occurred to me that SD sit awareness is a bit like defensive driving, where we maintain a regular scan of what lies ahead, to the side and behind us as we drive down the highway or to the corner store.

When driving -a statistically dangerous activity- it sure helps to maintain a good tempo on the OODA loop!
 
In the old country while in the army our training was to look for cover rather than stand and confront. It was mostly verbal "incoming!" ... we had to look for cover or lay low.

I've been wondering if playing paintball is not such a bad idea after all.
 
I've been wondering if playing paintball is not such a bad idea after all.

It really isn't. You can learn a lot about yourself, and the nature of trying to shoot someone while they are trying to shoot you. My first eye opener was how hard it is to not get shot, all while winning the fight.
 
Paintball (and AirSoft) will teach you that the stand-and-deliver Modern Technique of the square range will get you killed, or at best a 'tie' with the BG.

It will teach you that moving off-line (I don't mean a step or two - I mean "MOVING") will keep you from getting hit.

It will teach you that point shooting can and does actually work.

There are many other lessons...
 
Do you think there's a danger of paintball training you to "capture the flag" so to speak--to be offensive in attack rather than defensive?
 
Do you think there's a danger of paintball training you to "capture the flag" so to speak--to be offensive in attack rather than defensive?

Honestly, yes I could see that. Developing an overly offensive style that may not be tactically sound for a certain situation. My "style" when playing paintball or airsoft is aggressive and fast. You could practically call it rushing. I usually sprint to close in on my opponent, using cover of course, and take them out (or get taken out LOL). This may not be the best thing for all defensive situations. Then again it might, it depends.

But, I feel I am better off having done this stuff then having no force on force practice at all.
 
I wish there was a more "realistic" sort of paintball that included real world tactics and legal/social considerations. But having never shot a paintball gun I'm not even sure how accurate they are. For example, I've always heard that it's better for the civilian shooter or LEO to be at a distance, because at a distance the training gives greatest benefit. If you go in close you expose yourself more not only to wild shooting but to knife attacks and so on.
 
I wish there was a more "realistic" sort of paintball that included real world tactics and legal/social considerations.

That would be simunitions training, something us undeserving civilians have a hard time getting a piece of, or buying ourselves.

Paintball guns are surprisingly accurate within 50 yards, depending on the gun, and most have gas regulators that can be adjusted for range.

The more distance you have, the more skill is a factor. The closer you are, speed is more a factor. IMO
 
I wish there was a more "realistic" sort of paintball that included real world tactics and legal/social considerations.
Various instructors use Airsoft for force-on-force classes that deal with these very concerns.

I can personally recommend Suarez International for this type training.
 
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