How to get killed with your own gun.

[Tinker-S]

I carry an automatic knife with a dagger blade on my off side. My gun is IWB on my strong side. In the event someone figures out I have a gun and grabs for it I’ve practiced to grab the gun and push down with my strong hand while deploying the knife with the other. Assuming the attack is from behind the plan is to alternate stabbing high/low over my shoulder and waist height. For a frontal attack the target is the arm grabbing the gun. Can’t get a grip if your tendons are severed.

 

[Tinker-S]

The first time in Arizona, after I settled in at the hotel room, I went to the biggest store in town, yes, the Super WalMart. I knew AZ is an OC state, but I was really surprised. I was at the counter, and I saw a 6'6" person walking in the store, and he wore a chest rig with what I thought it was a .38 Special. I felt hungry, and went to the fast-food restaurant inside the store. I was counting my fries, when the guy with the chest rig came to sit down at the table next to mine. It was then that I was able to see that the ".38 Special" turned out to be an S&W 500! The guy was huge!
Now, who in their right mind would go and confront this guy?
Not I!

 

[JohnKSa]

For someone who wants to open carry, a chest rig is arguably a bit more secure from a surreptitious snatch than a typical belt holster because it's harder for someone to get their hands on it without coming to the carrier's attention. That gives a bit more time to either act or react before the gun is already in the grabber's hands.

The downside is that if you do get into a struggle with someone, your gun is actually more accessible to them than a gun in a typical belt rig would be.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

Now, who in their right mind would go and confront this guy?
Not I!

Even a mountain of a man packing a .500 won't mess with a man who counts his french fries!

 

[Tinker-S]

Even a mountain of a man packing a .500 won't mess with a man who counts his french fries!

Damn right!
Go mess with a dog while eating, and you are liable to get tore up!

 

[tarosean]

One of the best retention systems (for duty or open carry) is the Safariland ALS holsters.

Bingo.

Aside from my competition OWB holsters. Those are the only OWBs I’ll use even though I only OC while hunting, camping, etc.

 

[shafter]

Retention is simple but it does require training and some strength. It's also absolutely necessary for anyone carrying a gun. Bad guys do train disarming techniques.

The technique is to cover the firearm with the blade of the forearm, not the hand as many teach. By using your forearm you allow no space between your arm and your body. That space can leave you vulnerable to a body lock, arm drag, or even a kimura. This obviously only effective for waistline carry and not other areas like shoulder holsters or pockets etc.

At the same time you protect the gun you need to deliver a strike with your other hand. The strike must be in conjunction with your retention movements to be effective. You've got to know exact areas to target and practice this and you need to be able to do it without breaking your own hand. This means elbows or a palm strike. If I'm losing the retention fight I'll likely deploy a blade at that point.

Of course the best retention technique is to keep the firearm concealed and the people around you completely unaware that you are armed. People won't try to take what they don't suspect you have.

 

[shafter]

In my case the disparity in strength between me and the prospective gun-grabber would likely be huge, I was hoping there might be some trick I could use.

Well, not a perfect world.

Its not a trick but using a blade in your other hand increases your ability to retain your weapon significantly.

 

[GEM]

Of course the best retention technique is to keep the firearm concealed and the people around you completely unaware that you are armed. People won't try to take what they don't suspect you have.

That negates the real purpose of OC, which is to posture, virtue signal, perhaps get a frissom of excitement that you might have scared the 'sheeple'. So stop being sensible. I support the legal right but find it not a good idea.

For example, a silly one, but for public display. Michelangelo's statue of David is a masterpiece. It is nude but probably won't drive someone mad to do evil. Now some nut wants to ban it from schools as pornographic. Get a life. However, in the past, some entrepreneur made male bathing suits with the middle portion of statue printing on the suit. Thus, you could walk around like that, if you get the picture. A regular t-shirt with the image of the entire statue probably won't flip most people out. But this was seen in bad test but protected constitutionally. Do you think that suit is good idea?

Given the risks of OC and the motives for it (unless out in the field - I did while fighting the savage turkeys of TX), it's in bad taste and not a good idea.

 

[Elkins45]

. I support the legal right but find it not a good idea.

Agreed. My position on open carry is that it should be safe, legal and rare. Unless we’re talking about carrying a slung AR at Starbucks. That’s just plain narcissism.