How to neuter an AR-15?

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Alright, heres the deal.

My family owns ~40 acres in upstate NY that I could turn into a nice private shooting range :D

Only problem is that my AR-15 is too 'evil' for New York's liking. So how would I go about neutering it?

My evil features are:

A2 Flash Hider
Pistol grip
Bayo lug

The way I see it is that I would have to grind off the bayo lug (gotta stop them drive by bayonettings!) Remove the flash hider and silver solder a brake/comp, and if I do all that, I can keep the pistol grip.

Cant I just take the Califorinia route and install a bullet button or something? And fix a 30rd mag in it? Im good with toploading :D

Can anyone suggest the cheaaaapest NY legal comp/brake out there? (I dont care if its sausage shaped, its coming off when I get back to VA ;))
 
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how about just removing the brake and putting on a thread protector? Or does it have to be permanent?
 
I believe NYS thinks any AR is an "assault rifle". Therefore all of 'em are evil no matter what you do to it. Check the NY State laws to be sure though.
This is a synopsis. A fixed 30 round mag is out. So is a barrel that has threads to take a flash hider.
http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/NYSL.pdf
40 acres isn't enough for a cf rifle range. Not enough room for a fall zone.
 
Cut off the threads on the barrel and recrown.

Grind the bayo lug and cold blue.

Bell and Carson thumb hole AR stock ($120)

Cheapest way, still have detacable magazines. Assuming you have a grinder/cutoff wheels, this projuect should only cost about $150 including the stock, cold blue, grinding compound and a large round head brass screw for crowning.
 
Welp, looks like itll just be my 22 semi (mossberg 702 plinkster) and Sasha ('36 Mosin) then.

No handguns, no AR. How lame.
 
tyeo098 said:
Alright, heres the deal.

My family owns ~40 acres in upstate NY that I could turn into a nice private shooting range :D

Only problem is that my AR-15 is too 'evil' for New York's liking. So how would I go about neutering it?

My evil features are:

A2 Flash Hider
Pistol grip
Bayo lug

The way I see it is that I would have to grind off the bayo lug (gotta stop them drive by bayonettings!) Remove the flash hider and silver solder a brake/comp, and if I do all that, I can keep the pistol grip.

Cant I just take the Califorinia route and install a bullet button or something? And fix a 30rd mag in it? Im good with toploading :D

Can anyone suggest the cheaaaapest NY legal comp/brake out there? (I dont care if its sausage shaped, its coming off when I get back to VA ;))
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so.. according to NY rifle with A2 Flash Hider, Pistol grip and Bayo lug are more "evil" than a rifle without them? :banghead:
 
Part of the NY law is that an "assault weapon" has to have a "detachable magazine"

...wouldnt a bullet button cure me of having such an awful feature, and therefore make me ineligible to be an assault weapon even with a grenade launcher?
 
tyeo098,
using a bullet button would eliminate the detachable magazine, but you would still have more than two "evil features"...being the flash hider/pistol grip/bayonet lug. I think the best thing for you to do is what you said in your initial post. Grinding the bayo lug off solves that problem, and pinning/soldering a muzzle break would bring you down to the detachable magazine and pistol grip as your two acceptable evil features. This is all assuming you don't have a collapsible stock...:).
It sucks, I know.
That seems to be the best way I can see.

Dan
 
prid93 said:
tyeo098,
using a bullet button would eliminate the detachable magazine, but you would still have more than two "evil features"...being the flash hider/pistol grip/bayonet lug. I think the best thing for you to do is what you said in your initial post. Grinding the bayo lug off solves that problem, and pinning/soldering a muzzle break would bring you down to the detachable magazine and pistol grip as your two acceptable evil features. This is all assuming you don't have a collapsible stock...:).
It sucks, I know.
That seems to be the best way I can see.

Dan
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Look at the law carefully...

"Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an
ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
following characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor;
(v) a grenade launcher;
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It says AND not OR, and therefore both requirements must be met in order to output to true (classify as an assault weapon)

Logically, a bullet button would break the first requirement (detach. mags) and not classify it as an assault weapon. More like a black SKS with a pistol grip.
 
Here is what you are looking at:
You may have 1 of these, but not 2-
Telescoping/folding stock
Pistol Grip
Bayonet lug
Threaded muzzle

The common NY configuration is:
Fixed stock (either A2 or pinned M4)
No bayonet lug
Non-threaded muzzle (or your silver solder option)
You can have a muzzle brake/flash hider as long as it is permanently attached.

No matter what, you are restricted to 10 rnd mag capacity. Getting rid of ALL of the EBR features doesn't allow you to increase your mag capacity.

The suggestion to simply buy a “Post-Ban” upper receiver may be the most economical way to go.
 
tyeo098 said:
Look at the law carefully...



It says AND not OR, and therefore both requirements must be met in order to output to true (classify as an assault weapon)

Logically, a bullet button would break the first requirement (detach. mags) and not classify it as an assault weapon. More like a black SKS with a pistol grip.
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Not faulting your logic.... but I've never had a customer from NY request a bullet button mag catch. Maybe they simply are not up to speed???

:confused:
 
S. Hill said:
Not faulting your logic.... but I've never had a customer from NY request a bullet button mag catch. Maybe they simply are not up to speed???

:confused:
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Thats what I was thinking, everytime I gizoogled "New York bullet button" everything came up with kali.

I even emailed Broome Cty Police and never got a response...
(They were very helpful responding to me asking about shootin on private property)
 
tyeo098 said:
No, flash hiders are illegal any way you attach it.
Only Perm. attached brakes/comps are OK.
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Yeah, I guess. Though I wonder where they draw the line between a compensator and flash hider. That is why you will neve hear me call a muzzle device a "flash hider"! :neener:

Doesn't NY have a "prohibited guns" list? Even if the individual firearm meets the restrictions, simply because it is an AR-15 or AK47 it is prohibited? I don't have time to check the regulation website, but my memory seems to remember that.
 
Get another upper that meets the restrictions of the area you are going to. Personally, were I in that situation, I would get an unthreaded long match barrel (24" or so), free float handguard, flat top reciever, and no front sight/bayonet stud, and put a nice scope on the top. All kinds of target shooting/varmint shooting goodness! :D

Leave the other upper home.
 
There are plenty of us NY guys with AR's... I'm not one because I don't want one, but my best shooting buddy brings his AR every time we shoot. He built it a year ago.

This is what you need to do:
--Trade off the flash hider for a muzzle break with solder and pin (solder is generally considered to NOT BE OK on its own, it must be pinned).
--Attack your bayonet lug with a Dremel, or solder & pin on a lug-attaching bipod.

These first two may be fixed by buying a new "post-ban" upper from Del-Ton, Model 1, et. al. Or, you could find a pre-ban lower.

This is what you get to keep:
--Keep your pistol grip.
--Keep your detachable mag, as an AR without one is about as fun as a rusty muzzleloader.
--Find some "pre-ban" AR mags. Most stores in NY have a couple lying around for $30 or so (or the same as a mag for most other non-AK rifles). As long as they don't say "Law Enforcement Only," nobody cares. Buy them out of state if you want them cheaper.

Upstate NY isn't all that evil. I can put all the crap I want on my 10/22 because it was made in the '70s, and the same with big mags as long as they're old. I just don't because I don't want to.
 
AFAIK...
CA = "bullet button" magazine lock + 10 round magazine is legal
NY = "bullet button" magazine lock + 10 round magazine is illegal


Also...
Large capacity magazines/ammunition feeding devices...
CA = burden of proof to determine when you possessed a 11+ round magazine is on the state/gov.
NY = burden of proof to determine when you possessed a 11+ round magazine is on the possessor.
 
Ya know, I've done that before, and I always end up with another complete rifle! It seems that those "spare" uppers just beg and beg until they get a matching lower.
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Nothing wrong with that!
 
bobbo said:
--Attack your bayonet lug with a Dremel, or solder & pin on a lug-attaching bipod.
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Genuis.
--Find some "pre-ban" AR mags. Most stores in NY have a couple lying around for $30 or so (or the same as a mag for most other non-AK rifles). As long as they don't say "Law Enforcement Only," nobody cares. Buy them out of state if you want them cheaper.
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I have 1 30rdr marked 2004
I also have 2 plastic 10rdrs so Im good with that but Ive got a buddy down in FL who said he'd trade me his preban for my post ban plus some cash :rolleyes:
 
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