humorous gun ignorance from "forensics expert"

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"It's not that liberals are ignorant, it's just that they know so many things that just aren't so" or something to that effect :D

I think De Leon still has her beat, though this notion that lens-based sights are a typifying feature of "scary" rifles is somewhat new.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it has to do with most scopes' black coloration (sorry, but the only commonality to the banners' feared weapons features is consistently their coloration, to the point that they are universally represented as black silhouettes practically everywhere in their publications & graphics)

Also, while I'm positive it's merely a 'broken-clock' thing this time, this is probably one of the first times I've heard them lament a weapon feature that actually does significantly increase lethality; there can be no denying that telescopic sights make long distance shots far more effective & realistic for shooters, especially unpracticed ones. So they want to not only slow down the rate at which the gun can be loaded, but require them to be too large to conceal, and now to make them less precise by restricting the sighting options, so attackers theoretically have closer force-parity to their victims. This is like something out of Harrison Bergeron :rolleyes:

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That's the forensic expert I referred to in another thread. People like that sure as hell don't help the cause while spewing out ignorance on a "conservative" medium. It does nothing more than strengthen the antigun argument in the minds of the unknowing.
 
Scopes can be purchased online. OMG! I agree, that was painful. They must have been in a hurry to get a "forensics expert" on camera to be interviewed. I worked in a big city crime lab for awhile. All kinds of experts there, but only the criminalists in the firearms section would have been qualified to publicly comment on anything firearms related. She is the worst I've seen and I wonder where her true expertise,if any, lies?
 
Wow, I am partly surprised that Fox let that happen.... But, now days all televised news media Don't do their homework and let all sorts of idiots on the air!
This is only foder for the left....

God help us honest folk.

Lateck,
 
Nothing funny about it at all. I emailed the Fox Newsroom, copied the link to the YouTube video, and told them they shouldn't use her as an "expert" because she's an idiot.
 
Nothing funny about it at all. I emailed the Fox Newsroom, copied the link to the YouTube video, and told them they shouldn't use her as an "expert" because she's an idiot.
I'm with you on that
Imagine what else we see on the news that is flat wrong but we don't know because it's something that we're not familiar with.
 
Imagine what else we see on the news that is flat wrong but we don't know because it's something that we're not familiar with

The fascinating thing to me is that those that are flat wrong don't KNOW that they are wrong and don't bother to improve and love to spout their opinions. I see it constantly in my daily work. In contrast, I'm pretty sure I'm an idiot at any number of things, for example, plumbing, cars, motorcycles, or lacrosse, so I avoid conversations about them and never express opinions. I try to answer only the gun questions that I'm pretty sure of because I'm aware that I'm a complete newby to many on this board.

That whole "Unskilled and Unaware" phenomenon is a great concept with any number of applications. This woman on Fox News was certainly unskilled and unaware. Unfortunately the Fox News hosts were as well.
 
I would have more-diplomatically suggested to the newsroom that "forensics experts" be used for discussing forensics, and firearms/ballistics experts discuss firearms. Just because she has studied the results of firearms usage doesn't mean she know how, or even what, they are.

Simply because an ER physician has treated motorcycle injuries doesn't mean I'd consult him with questions about my motorcycle.
 
^^ *10 on that sentiment.

ADDED: Searching "jennifer barringer" I came up with a number of hits multiple: Jennifer Barringer; "jennifer barringer forensic expert" came up with a number of hits on on that video, including one that gave her full name as Jennifer Lee Barringer. Jennifer Lee Barringer returns an attorney who specializes in murder and rape cases and who has been suspended from practicing law in New Jersey. But she is called upon when TruTV, Fox News, HLN, CBS and CNN need a forensic expert.

In all fairness, though, she was asked to speak on a subject outside her area of expertise. Being labelled an expert does not make one an expert on every subject.

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The concept of discerning what "your lane" is, and rigorously staying within "your lane" is occasionally quite lost on people who have one set of knowledge but are asked to speak to a related area on which they are unconsciously quite ignorant.

The effects of this goofball lady on Fox are probably pretty minimal, other than providing deep humor for thousands of gun forum sorts all over the country.

But I've witnessed a shockingly similar situation nearly destroy a gun club.

A couple of years back our own shooting club went through a crisis of leadership in which one party decided to pass a really odd and sweeping set of unusually draconian new range rules. Lots of bizarre and selfish and self-serving and inexplicable stuff.

(As an example: No rifles over .30 cal. Forgetting and ignoring that we have hundreds of members who'd probably really like to be allowed to continue to sight in their .35 Remington or .45-70 deer rifles. Lots of stuff just that absurd.)

In the ensuing backlash, as the leadership came under threat of revolt by the membership, the Board hired a "forensics expert" to come in and do a study of our ranges and write a report on our safety standards -- ostensibly to defend all the weird new rules.

Well the "expert" was indeed a respected long-time member of our state's forensics cadre, but he was a TOOL MARKS expert. In other words, the guy who looks at the marks left on spent cases or recovered bullets to match either one to the gun that fired it. NO training or experience in exterior ballistics, range design, or the practicalities of containing rounds fired at targets.

And, probably predictably, he wrote a brief report condemning everything and anything anyone ever did at the range, concluding with the memorable statement that "You couldn't PAY ME to shoot here." :eek:

This being a range that's been in constant use for half a century and has had exactly ONE "suspected" (but never confirmed) pistol round leave the property, ever.

The upshot of it was the membership revolt the Board feared, the Board was ousted and replaced with people they'd tried to throw out of the club for trumped up "safety violations", and the range rules were comprehensively re-written to reflect reality and common practice.

But the whole place was scared and shaken by having this "expert's" paid report condemning every aspect of our practices. So when our new range rules came out they were, indeed, a lot more restrictive than they had been.

Slowly, over the course of the last two years, we've walked step by slow step back down from our death-grip on overheated "safety" restrictions back to about 96% where we were before the initial kerfuffle.

But there was serious damage done and we're still healing as a group. Friendships broken, long-standing members lost or driven away, and a lot of negative "press" within the membership that those "at the top" have no sense and make up stupid rules and then change them all that time. It will probably be a decade before all of that is smoothed away.


NEVER miss the chance to show how intelligent you REALLY are by admitting, "I don't know. That's not my area of expertise."
 
She reminds me of that contestant in a miss something contest a few years ago trying to answer a simple question and her long winded response really made her look stupid. Maybe someone out there could post the link for comparison.
 
With some individuals, once they get a little "educated" & get a degree in a particular field, they want to show that they're so intelligent, they're an expert in EVERY field. They're so determined, they'll make up "facts" as they go along & don't realize how foolish they actually sound. I've seen that with doctors, professors, even cops. And some in my own family.
 
There's a game show where contestants win not by giving the correct answer but by giving the most convincing answer. What's wrong with this picture? Yep, it's just like the news and the "new" journalism in general.
 
I'll never understand why people go on national television and talk about stuff they obviously know nothing about, do they like looking stupid?

I mean, I'm pretty educated in about 3 things, and I'd hesitate to say I know enough about even those 3 things to be an expert giving information on national television.
 
I would love have her to testify in court as to her expert knowledge. She would be fun to pick apart and "Destroy".
She may be a forensics expert, but that doesn't make her a firearms expert. And since the media doesn't seem to know the difference between the two, that makes them idiots. Not that they need any more help in that direction.
 
In all fairness, though, she was asked to speak on a subject outside her area of expertise. Being labelled an expert does not make one an expert on every subject.

Reminds me of Professor Irwin Corey -- The World's Foremost Authority! :rolleyes:
 
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