Hunting load for 6.5x55 Military rifle

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What is your favorite? I don't find Alliant powder around here so I don't look at Reloader powders.
Also if you have a recipe that works with Hornady 129 grain bullets, I don't have much luck with it. Rifle is a model 94 Swedish Carbine and deer is the usual target.
Thanks a million,
Rex
 
Where are you? Edit: No Alliant in Nebraska?? The answer is RL22/really.

Imr 4350 always worked well for me. H4831SC too.

I'd find some 140s to try.
 
my thought as well RL 19 or RL 22 is the way to go. got stupid one time and used some varget had to toss all that brass so go slow with this one and it can be a tack driver. i stick to 140gr bullets.
 
I've used IMR 4895 and IMR 4831 with bulk Remington 140 gr. corelokts. Actually the 4831 is my go to powder with this cartridge.

Elwood, what sort of problems did you have with Varget?

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it was too fast a powder for this gun and the cases were bulging near the rim. chamber was a little big but not bad so went with slower powder and neck size only and kept it at high 2300 fps with 140s. the gun shoots 5 rounds at 100 yrds moa. put the #2 high sight on and put the rear sight up 2 clicks it is poi at poa. a wonderful 117 year old m96
 
I wish to add my usual warning about old military rifles. Your action was made in the 1890's, at a time when the understanding of steel metallurgy was just beginning and process controls were human eye balls. Sometimes taste and touch, but it is all pre vacuum tube*. While a modern small ring could take more load (pressure times surface area) than an original, originals need to be kept within the pressure limits (load!) of the period. This is all due to the poor quality of period steels, the fact these were plain carbon steels, the overall uncertainty of the end quality of the things, and of course, the unknown severity of previous usage.

Anyway I went out and shot Surplus Swedish ammunition in a M1896 and in a carbine. It was surprising what five inches makes in velocity, the 29" barrel really pushed these bullet much faster at the same pressure.

My loads, a 140 grain Hornady with IMR 4350, while it is a trifle faster than the military loads, I consider them pressure wise, equivalent. This is based on nothing more than comparing velocities and making the assumption, that similar velocities mean similar pressures. Of course this is not true, could be more, could be less, but overall, I think this is a reasonable approach.

M1896 Infantry Rifle 29' barrel Carl Gustafs mfgr 1903

17-Aug-06 T = 85 °F
143 gr FMJ 1986 Swedish Ball

Ave Vel = 2610
Std Dev = 14.38
ES = 45.59
High = 2633
Low = 2587
N = 8

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M38 Infantry Carbine 24" barrel
28-Oct-94 T ≈ 60 °F

143 gr 1986 Swedish Ball OAL 3.065" 47.4 grs powder average

Ave Vel = 2427
Std Dev = 22
ES = 62
Low = 2395
High = 2457
N = 10



M700 22" Barrel


143 gr Swedish Ball 1986 headstamp

2 Feb 2008 T = 54 °F

Ave Vel = 2470
Std Dev = 18
ES = 48
High = 2491
Low = 2443
N = 5

140 gr Hornday Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350
R-P new brass CCI-200 OAL 2.990"

2 Feb 2008 T = 52 °F

Ave Vel = 2512
Std Dev = 27
ES = 72
High = 2547
Low = 2475
N = 5

M70 Featherweight 22" Barrel

140 gr Hornady Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350
R-P new brass CCI-200 OAL 2.990"

18 Nov 2007 T = 75 °F

Ave Vel = 2428
Std Dev = 29
ES = 95
High = 2480
Low = 2385
N = 24

easy bolt life,nice rounded primers



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* Does anyone remember vacuum tubes and vacuum tube technology? I feel this analogy is totally lost on the younger generations. Might as well use the analogy of "getting a Buick for the price of a Chevy?". When all people know is Corollas and Accords, I don't know if it gets the message across.
 
yep i have 2 tube amps for guitars and work on amps for other people but when loading for old guns the reloading data does not show what powder was used then. i did not have slow powder and sierra had a varget load i thought i could trust. 32gr of varget under a 140gr bullet at 2295 fps when i went to hornady data the fastest powder was imr 4350 so i went down the list and settled on RL 19. so always check out other data and see the difference in them. i think fast powders for this are for much more recent guns. this is not a perfect example but still a good one.
 

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