Hypothetically what would be your choice: Uzi in 9mm w/ 16 Mags or Winchester Lever Action in 45/70 w/ 100 rounds of ammo?

A fully automatic Uzi seems like it would be a fun toy, though I'd have to save up my cash between range trips.

A semi-automatic Uzi seems like a clunky and low-quality way to waste ammunition.

I'd take the lever gun without any hesitation.
 
I'd pick the 45-70, I think.

Course... I've been known to buy a gun to try out just because I had the opportunity to get one. You could get the UZI, play with it a while, and always sell it later and get a Winchester 1886.

I'd probably be annoyed that I had a long barrel when I'd want a short one, so I'd probably not be in love with the UZI. I guess I'd get the Winchester.
 
I'm in the 45/70 camp. Having owned pistol caliber carbines and sub machine guns, they are fun...for a while. A lever 45/70 rifle is more useful, and reloading keeps shooting costs low...and you can hunt with it. Meat damage on a deer/hog size animal is less that a lot of bottleneck cartridges.
 
Odd choice-a PCC derived from an SMG vs a large bore CF rifle. For home defense, or plinking, the UZI, for big game hunting under say 300 yards, or home defense in the country, thr 45-70.
 
The Uzi is a range toy. The Marlin is a serious hunting rifle capable of dropping any animal on the continent. I own a Marlin 45/70 but I don’t own an Uzi, if that tells you anything.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
I only have funds for one or I'd buy them both. Uzi is more expensive but comes with a ton of mags. On the other side a 45/70 lever gun has been on my want list for some time now.
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The details to be answered, for a knowledgeable answer is what Uzi, for how much and what 45/70 and price?

If you picked up a $500 Marlin when you could have got an Uzi on a form 4 for $1000 and you picked the 45/70, people would call you insane.
 
The One Rifle I Regret Selling to this day... is my Browning (Miroku... so Winchester, too...) 1886 SRC, much like the one Silicosys has in his photo. Just a great rifle, chambered in a cartridge that is a handloader's dream.

I've always thought UZI's were cool, but, as some have mentioned, buying the neutered version... naaa. My TaeKwon-Do instructor owned one for a bit... he said it worked better as a doorstop. I would agree with the others... if you really are fancying a 9mm PCC, get something more modern.
 
Having had two careers in which I had extensive opportunities to use sub-machine guns with full-auto capability, the novelty quickly wore off. Unless you're independently wealthy, owning a bullet-hose is simply an exercise in throwing away money.

BT, DT.

Townsend Whelen was right.

Give me a quality lever-action rifle or carbine any day of the week, twice on Sundays.
 
I own 2 Marlin Cowboy 45/70s with 26” barrels and a new Ruger Marlin with the short barrel. They are the easiest to reload for too. You can take care of all sorts of business with a good lever. Shooting deer or elk with an Uzi could be problematic.

The 30/30 would be my first choice but since that isn’t a choice I would say the 45/70 would get the nod from me.
 
Oh yeah, almost forgot, my Uzi Carbine had the absolute worst trigger I've ever felt on ANY gun. Even after I sent it to an Uzi trigger specialist gunsmith for the some handwork. That was one more thing that made it so very not fun to shoot. I am a C&R guy, I am very, very familiar with rough, low grade mil spec triggers but the Uzi was a whole other level of bad. For a subgun/bullet hose, who cares if the trigger is lousy, it's just an on/off switch for spraying bullets but for a semi-auto plinker, it was truly horrible.
 
UZI has it's place with and without fun switch. But, hands down the Sterling is better in 9x19, if only for its magazines.

Marlin lever also imputes rather a lot of quality, but, in a carbine length (presumably) I'd incline to something closer to 3/10 inch rather than 45. For my 2¢ 30-30, or 30-40 would have more utility in my book, especially if in a situation where crude reloading might be a consideration. Now, keeping it "modern only" a Marlin in 357 offers a lot of flexibility.

But, that's just my 2¢, spend it wisely.
 
LiveLife said:
If you go with AR based 9mm PCC with cheap 33 round stick magazines, you may save enough money over Uzi to buy both PCC and Winchester lever action. ;)
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The OP is in Massachusetts, he can't buy a modern 9mm AR-15 that takes Glock mags, or cheap 33-round Glock mags. (At least, not easily.) It is very, very unlikely he has a "green card" allowing him to think about possessing a transferable fully-automatic UZI, so I'll assume it's a pre-ban semi-auto Uzi carbine with 16 magazines. He also can't hunt with the .45-70, as MA is a shotgun-only state. (Fun fact: when people trot out the "XX states don't allow .223 Remington for deer hunting", they conveniently neglect to mention how many of those states are shotgun only, or I suppose might now have "straight wall cartridge" or similar restrictions in place.)

As for the OP's question, knowing where he is, I'd probably buy the Uzi with the idea of hanging on to it for a while. In a few more years, it'll likely be worth more than he paid, especially with a pile of magazines. Then sell it off and get a .45-70 to try for a while. And when you're done with that, sell it off and try something else. It's not like these decisions have to be permanent.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
That is the choice I'm looking at right now. I only have funds for one or I'd buy them both. Uzi is more expensive but comes with a ton of mags. On the other side a 45/70 lever gun has been on my want list for some time now. Uzi or Winchester, Winchester or Uzi. Might have to flip a coin on this one. Both completely different and in all honesty, not very practical. But when has practical been a parameter when wanting a new gun?

Which would you choose and why or which would you not choose and why?

Thanks
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LOL, it must be early because I am trying to rectify in my mind the dichotomy of these two options. That would be sort of like asking if folks would rather own a donkey or a spastic greyhound. Neither really covers the same functional areas of the other except from a very generalized perspective. It sounds like you just want to buy something and are looking for a reason? Nothing wrong with that. Just muddling through the uniqueness of the query.

Uzi. Per round ammo is cheaper (although with 16 mags, I could see it getting expensive, fast). It will be fun with friends who want a chance to shoot one. Lots of gun owners have never had and opportunity to hold or shoot in Uzi, but .45 lever guns are not uncommon.

I have a WWI Luger I break out from time to time for friends who have never seen or held one, particularly new shooters. For my needs, it isn't very practical, but it is fun for show and tell.
 
As far as range clout,
The .45-70 is just another lever action to most people, even casual gun people. Almost everybody thinks its another Winchester 30-30. You have to show them the cartridge and explain it, blow up a line of milk jugs before they "get it". The people that know it by sight and get the cool factor of an 1886 in .45-70 are uncommon,
Whereas,
The Uzi speaks for itself. Eeeeverybody knows what an uzi looks like and most have not seen one in person, even most hard-core gun people. It's not as slick or streamlined as most modern pcc's but it gets as much or more attention.
I reload for mine and it's very reliable with my loads. Clunky, blocky, and heavy as it is, it's a lot of fun at the range. Very little recoil, you can rattle off well aimed shots as fast as you can pull the trigger.
I'd like to get a railed plate for mine to install a red dot.
 
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I briefly owned a Vector Uzi at the end of the AW Ban. I probably shot about 3000rds of 9mm out of it, then the firing pin bent and gouged out the firing pin hole, ceasing all operation. Vector replaced the whole bolt assembly. I took it to the local indoor range to test it out and let the guy shooting next to me give it a go. He offered me $1000 for it and I sold it to him. I had bought it new for $750.

It was kind of fun, kind of lame. It was very heavy & the grip safety took effort to disengage. Because of the grip safety I couldn't bump fire it. Which I liked doing at the time. Otherwise it had decent accuracy and was easy to shoot well with on pistol ranges. Like all pistol caliber carbines, if I needed something for self defense, I'd grab a rifle caliber carbine like an AR15 over a PCC.

I too would point you to a Extar EP9 pistol or carbine if you're looking for a PCC. They use Glock mags and are probably the least expensive PCC out there - other than the Hi Point Carbine.
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I do not own either one as I don't have any interest in them. I would lean toward the 45-70 but I prefer my lever guns in pistol calibers or 30-30.
 
I would have to go with the Winchester. Having been born and growed up in "cowboy country" I ain't into autoloaders and such.
honestly? I think lever-actions like the Winchester, Henry, etc are just awesome. I'd pick them over semi-autos everytime.
 
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