I ALMOST, had to clear my house today.

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So today I pulled into the driveway today and I noticed the garage was wide open. My immediate thought was that since I was the first to leave, one of my roommates (whoever left last) left the door open when they left. Neither of there cars were around so the house looked empty. Being that I was coming from school I did not have my firearm with me. I sat in the driveway for a moment and was not quite sure what to due. Here were my thoughts

1. If my roommates were home they should have a car in the driveway
2. If my roommates are not home they should not have left the door open
3. All the stuff of value was in its normal spot in the garage so no signs the garage had been robbed
4. There was no easy way to tell if somebody (good or bad,) was in the house
5. I have no experience clearing a house but if I had my firearm with me I might have been nieve enough to walk in (smacks myself in the head)

So I did the next best thing, I called the house phone from my cell, turns out that one of my roommates was home and had let a buddy use his car.


So what did I do wrong? and more importantly what SHOULD I have done.
 
Well u can't call the cops because the door is open so, to clear it grab a bat out of the garage and make ur way straight to ur closest firearm then go room to room.

I've had some similar experiences myself and did that but no bg.;)
 
You did the right thing. If no one picks up the phone, you should call the cops.

Clearing your house by yourself isn't a good idea. If you do interrupt something, it could get ugly. And if the door wasn't left open by you or your roommates, chances are someone did break in, and in that case you'd want to call the cops anyway, even if no one was still there.
 
QUOTE: " Oh in retrospect it worked fine, I guess my question is more what to do if the phone had not been picked up."

My first thought is call the cops let THEM clear your house. The only problem W/ that is you ,in essence, are handing the police carté blanche to search your house, Do you want that?

THOUGHTS ON CLEARING THE HOUSE YOURSELF.( a very STUPID thing to do)

Have one of the roomies hide somewhere in the house W/ an airsoft. You take another & try to "clear" the house W/out getting "shot."
Now imagine yourself doing the same thing solo W/ REAL guns
 
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Have one of the roomies hide somewhere in the house W/ an airsoft. You take another & try to "clear" the house W/out getting "shot."
Now imagine yourself doing the same thing solo W/ REAL guns

Nah.

Have several of your roommates and friends (and make sure you don't know how many are "playing") in your house with an airsoft and then you try to clear the house without getting "shot."

Better yet, perhaps have some of your friends be hostages, so not only do you not know how many BG's there are, you may actually have to take hostage shots. Great practice, but make sure everyone is wearing the proper safety gear. No one wants to die clearing their home, but I don't think anyone wants to lose an eye during practice either. -_-'
 
There is the old money trick.

Leave a decent sized bill in plain sight of the entrance ($20 is good), and make sure your roommates know not to take it. If things look out of place check to see if the money is there, if someone is there to rob you they would likely grab the visible cash and so if it's gone you get worried. If it's still there then you should still be careful, but it was likely just an accident.
 
I ALMOST, had to clear my house today.

Unless there is an emergency where you believe you have friends or loved ones inside that need immediate medical attention, you nearly never HAVE to clear your house. So get that notion out of your head.

1. If my roommates were home they should have a car in the driveway
2. If my roommates are not home they should not have left the door open
3. All the stuff of value was in its normal spot in the garage so no signs the garage had been robbed
4. There was no easy way to tell if somebody (good or bad,) was in the house
5. I have no experience clearing a house but if I had my firearm with me I might have been nieve enough to walk in (smacks myself in the head)

Good reasoning except for #5. Try not to think of a a gun as empowering you to be able to do things you would not normally do. That is how folks get into trouble.

Here is your biggest mistake. You used the word "due" instead of "do".

No, he evaluated the garage to see if he had been "robbed." If the things in the garage had been obviously disturbed or taken while nobody was home, he would not have been robbed. You would have been burgled.

So I did the next best thing, I called the house phone from my cell, turns out that one of my roommates was home and had let a buddy use his car.

Next best thing? Noooooo. First best thing - and you did it without a gun. Imagine that.

A LOT of person safety doesn't involve the use of guns, nor should it have to do so. Using a phone to gather relevant information before proceeding was the right thing to do.

Leave a decent sized bill in plain sight of the entrance ($20 is good), and make sure your roommates know not to take it.

LOL, they are college students. A free floating saw buck isn't going to remain in place as a security item!

Of course, the problem with that notion is that just because you have one at one entrance doesn't mean the bad guy didn't use another entrance and never see the one at the entrance you are using.
 
Unless I am absolutely sure that there are bad guys crouching inside my house, I am NOT going to call the cops so they can come into my home and "discover" an "arsenal of weapons" or a "stockpile of ammunition".

I am tired of seeing people who have more than five guns being made poster children for the SWAT team's effectiveness - even when they did nothing wrong.

I am intimately acquainted with how the police can, at will, concoct crimes where there are none. I am also intimately acqainted with how fighting said bogus trumped-up charge can cost you your life savings and your house... with no recompense from the idiots who charged you with those false crimes.
 
Right, it is much better to get killed by the person you suspect (but aren't absolutely certain about) is hiding in your home than to call the cops. Can't argue with that logic at all.
 
I cant believe how far we have come as a country, and how emasculated we are when the majority of people on a gun board recommend that you dont even secure your own house. Yes I am aware of the legal complications involved with any shooting, but calling the police because a door is open? Sounds more like something that I would hear a do-gooder, pantywaist from NPR suggest. Come on! Unless I am sure there is someone in my house I am not calling the police. AS has been mentioned earlier, you are giving them carte blanche to search your house for one thing. (EBR's and ammo cans are frowned upon by many).

The main reason though? It is MY HOUSE. I am a sovereign, independent citizen. I am the man of my house, the King of my Castle. You can take it as sounding like a blowhard, immature, or whatever you choose to call it. Notice I am not talking about how to sneak up on an intruder and stab them so that they expire silently, but doggone it if I hear a bump in the night I will arm myself and investigate that bump. I have done it several times, so far it has always been perfectly harmless. My grandpa is pushing 80 now, and he has probably gone to investigate bumps, nois, and lights hundreds of times over the years. What are you gonna do, call the cops every time that happens? Especially when it will take them 45 minutes to get from town out to where you are?

If I leave the bedroom at night and go exploring, my wife sits behind the bed with her gun and her cell phone, ready to call 911 if I yell or start shooting.

Certain parts of this board have gotten WAAAY to PC. There is far too much dependence upon police and others being demonstrated here. As cliche as it sounds, and as much as I know it will be spun as being immature, I have to say it. Be A Man!

The airsoft scenario is fatally flawed. It makes quite a list of suppositions.

1. The bad guy is aware of my entry or presence.
2. The bad guy does not flee to avoid confrontation.
3. Both conditions above are met and the BG is smart enough to lay in silent wait for me as opposed to charging out to the confrontation.
4. The bad guy has enough force-on-force training, or experience, or guts etc... that he is able to hit what he is aiming at in a hurry, much less be lethal with whatever Saturday night special he is using.
5. The bad guy, who is in all likelihood untrained, unskilled, nervous, possibly strung out, and in unfamiliar territory, is going to be able to outwit, outmaneuver, and out shoot me on my own stomping grounds.

All this is even assuming that there is someone where to begin with, when that is SO rarely the case.

Also, I dont know it is where ya'll live, but around here they dont send the SWAT team, Green Berets, Seals, or any tye of paramilitary forces trained in dynamic entry. They send regular police. How many of you have ever trained with, or practiced with police officers. There are some who are very enthusiastic about the gun/warrior/sheepdog/whatever you want to call it lifestyle, and they have taken it upon themselves to improve their skills in many areas. By and large though, most of them rely on what they learned in the academy, and those 12 weeks of callisthenics's, classroom learning, and occasional range time or mat time dont begin to give them the same level of training or experience many here would try to ascribe to them.

A VERY good friend of mine is a police officer in the next town down from me. From what he has told me of his fellow officers, and from what their armorer has told me, my friend is the only one who has any type of real interest in firearms or H2H, and I know for a FACT that he hasnt fired his duty weapon in over a year, shoots maybe only 3-4 times a year with a .22. He is interested, but doesnt have the money to do much shooting, and doesnt make the time for it really either. That doesnt give me a whole lot of confidence in the rest of that department either.

Now I would say that our local sheriff's department has an unusual amount of skill, experience, and ability. There are about 4 guys on that department who I think could handle themselves in just about any situation that he face. (One of them has been kind enough to spend a lot of time with me, especially before I was married, and taught me a whole lot.) But you know what, none of those guys learned what they know from their LEO training. They are all hobbyist, exmil, etc... And as for the local PD? I would be afraid to go to the range with most of those guys :uhoh: Aint no way I would want them in my house! Especially with the record they have had the last few years for theft, negligence, and drug dealing.
 
Well said Kentucky I am in 100% agreement. That's what I was trying to say. I mean calling the cops just because your door is open and giving them free reign inside your house?:scrutiny:

Come On people grow some brass ones.:neener:
 
I came home once and my front door wasn't completely closed. I walked back to the truck and got a pistol, headed back to the door, opened, shouted something like, "Whoever's in here better announce themselves or you will be shot!", then proceeded to clear the house after a minute or so.

Turns out daughter #2 went to the park with her boyfriend with the intention of coming right back. She got a pretty serious verbal smack-down.

Can you imagine what would have happened if I called the cops? Pfff. That'd be embarrasing.


-T.
 
I've actually had to clear a building by myself, it wasn't fun. Both times therewas some body in the building both times they ran.
One of the times I got into a shoving match W/ whoever was behind the door I was trying to open, they went out a window while I was running to another door.

Now that I've proven my "manliness" By telling my "war stories" let me say it again.

I don't care to needlessly expose myself to danger. If I could have avoided either situation I would have. Even in your own house its too easy to get ambushed.
 
Go up and ring your own doorbell/knock on the door. Pretend you are a visitor. See if anyone you know answers the door, or if you hear movement but no answer.

Based on what happens, you may be in a better position to decide on what course of action you need to take.
 
You made the right choices, except that you gave consideration to clearing your house.

IMO, an amateur trying to clear a house (or even a closet) is not a good bet, gun or no gun.
 
That's the advantage of having a territorial German Shepherd to watch over things while you're gone. If I come home and Rudy isn't running around in the yard barking in excitement 'cause "Daddy's home!" and my wife's car isn't in the driveway, I know something is wrong. I would then check with my very nosy retired neighbor to see if anything unusual were going on. If you're friends with your neighbors, you need the police a lot less. Of course, I'm a part time LEO, so if the house needed clearing I've always got my duty gear, rifle and radio in the trunk. Call for backup, put on the vest, grab the rifle and do a recon while waiting.

Dogs and neighbors would be my alert system, though.
 
sacp81170a nailed it! If my three dogs don't come to the gate to welcome daddy. Something is not kosher and somethings going down cause there's and 45 on me and a Rem 870 also handy!
 
You made the right choices, except that you gave consideration to clearing your house.

IMO, an amateur trying to clear a house (or even a closet) is not a good bet, gun or no gun.



+1........The last thing I would want to do is surprise a burglar.
 
I cleared my livingroom last night but I don't think it was the same thing...

Seriously though, even the part time LEO said the first thing he would do was call for back-up. Unless you live out in the sticks and response time is measured in hours instead of minutes probably be a good idea to wait for the police so long as you are not in fear of your life or the life of one of your room mates...
 
dont know much about US police, but in norway its a 3 year education to become Law Enforcement....

and i would never want to "sneak" around my own house looking for badguys...
 
Sorry, I have to disagree with Kentucky and totally agree with Double Naught Spy.

I have been trained to clear rooms and I know that the only way to do so without inevitably exposing your unprotected back to one side or another is to "clear" with another highly trained individual with whom you have worked before so each of you know instinctively where to go and when and can trust the other to be properly muzzle conscious.

I've been a State of Florida Parole and Probation Officer. I know that many street punks are as you describe nervous, amateurish and strung out. But folks who take down dwellings for a living have long prison records and in prison they train constantly to disarm and kill police officers.

Heck there has been recent news of some of the most deadly street gangs on the planet like MS13 voluntarily joining the army or marines and actually behaving themselves JUST to get the training and to do an actual tour in a combat zone for a sort of "on-the-job-training" which they can then take back and teach to the homies in the 'hood. How would you like to face a punk with an AK who suddenly goes to ground and starts firing every three to five seconds to keep your head down while his buddy begins a well practiced flanking movement to blow you away?

Fighting on your home ground ensures you won't be taken by surprise? Sorry but even with the utmost diligence in the movements, nobody really EXPECTS to encounter an intruder for real in the home/hearth & castle. The advantage is almost always going to be the intruder. He gets to pick the spot, time and level of violence.

As far as working with cops, well I live in Miami Dade County and our cops are pretty good and take the hazards pretty seriously -- especially since last year we had four cops KIA inside of a 2 month span.

Having said all of that, were it ME it would depend on my living circumstances. If I was in a suburban neighborhood, maybe I call the cops. But if I live pretty rural and it's unlikely the cops will show in any sort of reasonable time span, then I probably go in. BUT I do a 360 degree exterior perimeter check first and I'm peeking in windows looking for activity and I'm looking for signs of forced entry. This avenue however, simply assumes I'm armed as I almost always am except on the round trip to and from work...like right after I post this....lol

If I'm unarmed that does it. Any sort of entry is virtual suicide. IMHO, you did the absolutely correct thing right off.
 
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