I am so sick of the term "high capacity"!

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Saxon,

I agree. I was being "that guy", tongue firmly in cheek.

I'm also the @sshat that always has a 10rd Wilson Combat "Bureaucrat" magazinze protruding from the bottom of his single-stack 1911s. Haha

The funny thing is, the 8rds we now enjoy in standard-length 1911 mags was, I would say, the standard in Europe for a long time, too (Luger P08; Walther P38, PP, and P5; HK P7M8; the outstanding Sig P210, and so on).
 
Um then what do you define a 33 round Glock 9mm magazine? Or a 20 round Mec-Gar mag for a Beretta or Taurus 92? I would assume high capacity is an accurate definition for any magazine larger then factory standard.

Also many people in the gun culture are still effected by the 1994 term pre ban post ban, yada yada terms. And the fact that some states still limit magazine capacity to 10 rds, so having a mag with more then 10 rds in that state now becomes a high cap mag. Hence the disclaimer on many online stores "High cap magazines cannot be shipped to the following states; New york, Hawaii, California, etc"
 
"Seventeen rounds in a G17 sounds like a lot"

Nah, it's just 9mm.

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Don't mind me, I just bought a new FN and a 15-round .45 mag is as hi-cap as anything can be.

John
 
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so then this 25 round 1911 mag is what you would consider 'standard capacity'? i still have yet to see anyone at the range with one of these silly things
 
Um then what do you define a 33 round Glock 9mm magazine? Or a 20 round Mec-Gar mag for a Beretta or Taurus 92? I would assume high capacity is an accurate definition for any magazine larger then factory standard.
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That would be "extended" capacity.
I've all but given up on the war against the term "high capacity" myself. Out of all the Sheeple I've tried to correct over the past 6 years only a few have even listened let alone taken it seriously. Even salespeople at gun shops have treated me like a nut-job over it.
And pgeleven: That's probably because it weighs about ten pounds fully loaded. Not to mention most people would rather be seem riding a moped than be seen with that thing hanging off their 1911.
 
And pgeleven: That's probably because it weighs about ten pounds fully loaded. Not to mention most people would rather be seem riding a moped than be seen with that thing hanging off their 1911.
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it makes about as much sense as half the junk that a large amount of us have been slapping onto our firearms. im very guilty of that remark... its a bit obnoxious, but still legal. i agree with the former posters that 'high capacity' defines it as being able to carry more than the factory supplied magazine intended it to. when the AWB was only allowing us to have 10 round mags maximum, high-cap mags allowed us to carry a few more, and is is a fitting name for them. maybe you just have a pet peeve you need to come to terms with.
 
My 9mm comes two ways from the factory, 10 round mags or 16 round mags. They don't call the 16's hi cap but most of us do. I see what you're getting at Shooter but it's really like "chocking on fly crap".
 
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A 30-round mag is what the AR-15 was designed to use
acually it was designed to use the 20 round mag...
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Yup, in '68 the 20-round magazine was standard-issue in our M16s.

And yes, the Browning Hi Power double-stack 13 rd. mag was considered "high capacity" because the standard of the day was the 7 or 8 rd. single-stack (Luger, Mauser, Colt.)
The original French Army requirement was for Grande Rendement which meant "high yield." This became known as Grande Puissance "high power".

Size is relative. :)
 
Wikipedia seems to have a rather good take on the definition of High Cap Mag;

"The term high capacity magazine is a term used to describe magazines that exceed a certain "normal" capacity, whose definition is dependent upon context.This is a general term, the only definition given is that of the media and government legislators. Originally intended as an extended pistol which holds higher capacity than the “standard capacity”, a high capacity magazine is illegal in several jurisdictions."

"In many jurisdictions, magazine capacity of certain firearms is legally restricted, such as under the United States' Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which defined a magazine capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition as a high capacity ammunition feeding device. Currently, in the United States, six states limit magazine capacities."


"Many pistol and rifle magazines classified by such laws as "high capacity" are in fact the factory standard magazines originally designed for use with their respective firearms. Reduced capacity magazines, generally holding ten rounds, were created subsequently in response to enactment of the bans."
 
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So basically the term can take a multitude of definitions depending on the context. Since America is going to unprecedented lengths in arming itself due to the political atmosphere, I think ShooterMcGavin is annoyed at the term being abused by both the gun control & firearm industry.

The gun control groups are using the def of "high cap" as a derogatory political term. Basically the "High capacity magazines of mass destruction", are one of the root causes of bloodshed in both America & Mexico. Thus we need to rid these evil magazines from our neighborhoods,lol.

On the other hand the firearm industry is abusing the term "high cap" for pure sales. For instant here's an example of just that from the online shop;http://www.thecountryshed.com/high_capacity_mags.htm

"Due to recent political events and speculation, high capacity mags are in high demand. We make every attempt to keep BUY buttons current and most high capacity mags are subject to quantities on hand. Get yours while supplies last!!!"


And now that I have wasted 45 minutes of my life trying to learn, find and post the definition of High capacity Mag, I am more confused, enlightened, and bewildered on what possesed me to even do so?:confused:
 
I have no problem with the term high capacity. It connotates that a magazine holds a lot of bullets- whis is what even those standard cap magazines you describe do.

The 17 rounds that a Glock 17 holds is quite a few more than the 5 or 6 rounds traditionally held in revolvers, the 7 round mag capacity of the 1911, or the 8 round mag capacity of the Smith 39 9mm.

The 30 rounds that an AR or AK mag holds- well, when I hold 30 rounds in my hand, I have a feeling that I'm holding quite a few rounds. I know my wallet dosen't disagree.
 
I think ShooterMcGavin is annoyed at the term being abused by both the gun control & firearm industry.
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Yes. Thank you.

I am NOT talking about comparing an 8-round 1911 to a 17-round G17. I'm talking about comparing a 17-round G17 to a 10-round G17. Maybe I was previously unclear. It is NOT the case that the 10-round mag for the G17 is the standard and the 17-round is the "high" capacity. Instead, the 10-rounder is the butchered magazine (ok, I'd be fine using the term "restricted capacity") and the 17-round mag is the standard.

The 17 rounds that a Glock 17 holds is quite a few more than the 5 or 6 rounds traditionally held in revolvers, the 7 round mag capacity of the 1911, or the 8 round mag capacity of the Smith 39 9mm.
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Ok, then why not call a 5-shot revolver "high capacity", since it holds a lot more ammo than a derringer, a SxS shotgun, or an OU shotgun?

I am annoyed that there exists anything OTHER than "high capacity" magazines for guns. There is no reason I want the option to buy a 10-round, restricted-magazine for any fullsize pistol and no district should be required to live under that limit. The term "high capacity" just gives the grabbers a platform. "why would anyone need 'HIGH' capacity magazines - the 'standard' 10 is good enough".
 
I have no problem with hi cap mags, just as I have no problem with the term. I interpret it as more descriptive than anything else- even though some folks have politicized it with a negative connotation (which is what I believe your problem is related to).
 
amazing so much time wasted on discussing this :) Thought everything was pretty well understood that there are no set lines here...
 
Just to be "that guy"

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If we really want to pick nits...

1) It's debatable whether the 1911 should be the "standard" for "standard capacity", and

2) Regarding the Browning "High Power", I've been told that "Grand Puissance" could possibly also translate as "Large Capacity" or "High Capacity", depending on how fancy one wanted to get vis-a-vis the French spoken in Belgium). This may or may not be verifiable fact, but I suppose it has the ring of truth to me becuase it seems more logical, given the characteristics of that weapon. It's also easy to see, from a hype/marketing/popular jargon standpoint, how "high power" might replace the more technical-sounding "high capacity" in the vernacular.

In any event, my nit to pick is that BOTH of the above weapons were predated by the Mauser C96, and it is therefore incorrect to refer to the "high power" as the first high capacity pistol.
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I guess my wheel barrow I converted to hook to my Hakim would extreme capacity? guess i could call extreme hakim :D
 
Whatever the gun is made for is standard capacity in my book. 7-8 rounds for a standard 1911, 17 rounds for a Glock 17 or M&P 9mm, 20 or 30 rounds for an AR, etc. Anything above that is High capacity, anything under that is Low capacity.

Not a hard concept for us. Sadly the same is not true of the Gun grabbers.
 
there is limited 10 and open class which allows for high capacity magazines
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And those class names were created during the Clinton gun ban, which defined 11-17 round magazines as "high capacity." Limited 10 was created to allow people who couldn't afford standard mags at Clinton prices to have a class they could compete in. And yes, there are "high capacity" magazines in some of the gun games, like 20+ round Beretta magazines. But I agree with the OP that a 15 round magazine in a Glock 19 is not high capacity, it is standard capacity; a 33 round Glock 18 mag in a G19 would indeed be "high capacity."

pgeleven, that would be a "high capacity" magazine because it is way more than the standard capacity for that firearm. On the other hand, a 30-round magazine for an AR is not "high capacity", but a 40-rounder or a beta-C mag would be.

"Standard capacity" is what the gun was made for. 15 rounds in a G19 is standard capacity, and 10 rounds is reduced capacity, as someone pointed out above.
 
I honestly think we as Gun JEEENNYUSSES (geniuses for you spelling nit pickers) whine like uber nerds about things like the use of the term High Cap and Clip vs. Mag and try to correct everyone all the time on their terminlogy we just look like jerks.

Folks seriously to an anti more than a single shot is High Cap. So it isn't helping or hurting our cause.

I'll correct someone on something dangerous or if they ask for the proper terminology. I really wonder how many friends some folks here can keep around with the arrogant know it all attitudes that seem to be propagated. I am not perfect by the way. But we need to lighten up on some things.

I also completely concur with Wyocarp.

Take it easy on the Non Experts out there...By the way most of us aren't Experts...Those who know the most generally know there is alot they don't know.
 
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