I can see why people hate air rifles.

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It is absolutely counter intuitive, but air guns are harder on scopes than centerfire rifles. Because they reverse direction it puts a heck of an acceleration on the scope and mounts. I think it has to do with the second derivative of velocity, when velocity reverses, acceleration hits infinity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_graphs_and_derivatives



I could be full of baloney on this, but I remember something like that from Calculus.



The only way the acceleration of a body could be infinite is if the force causing the acceleration were infinite, which would be impossible. What was that reference to baloney?
 
Several years ago, I was trying to convince a shooting buddy that "BB guns' had come a very long way since his Daisy red ryder that he plinked off his back porch with, so I brought over my Beeman R9 w/ Bushnell Elite scope on it, and proceeded to put round after round through the 5" lid of a steel juice can.........from about 90 yards !! He couldn't have been more amazed and impressed with them after that. ;)
 
The one I currently have, the Ruger Blackhawk, is not too bad, but after about 200 rounds the rear sight fell apart. I emailed Umarex and see if they had a better one for it.

It IS a tack driver, it will shoot clear through a can of spray paint, and will embed a pellet 1/2" deep into a 2x4.
 
but they have double recoil
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Yes, air rifle shooters are aware of this as are the manufacturers. That's why you see telescopic sights that specify they're not for air rifles.
 
Beeman use to sell little clamps that were like the clamps on the scope mounts. One snugged one up to the rear of the rear mount and front of the front mount and screwed them on just like the actual mounts. This gave you twice the gripping area to prevent sliding.

I under stand some folks figured out where they wanted their mounts then peened the rail to the rear of the rear mount and forward of the forward mount and pushed those mounts fully into the peened areas before tightening. Of Course once peened those dents will be there if you later decide to ditch the scope or replace it with something else.

Some of the European guns like the FWB guns have rails that include notches across their tops that allow the mount that has a single long screw through it to be fixed so that screw is in the notch......just like on the rails of a weaver or pitcanny system.

now see my other post and answer a question for me.....

-kBob
 
Scopes are great on air rifles in my opinion... you just have to ensure that your scope is suitable for a piston powered air rifle if that's what you have. A nice air rifle can tear up an expensive scope meant for a center fire rifle. You must have assurance from the scope maker that the scope will work for your application. I have a relatively inexpensive Bushnell (air rifle capable) scope on a Beeman R9 and it works great.
 
Well. I'm a little pissed.

I emailed Umarex Friday and they said allow "up to two business days" for a response.

Today is Wednesday, nothing.

So I call them at around noon, waited on hold 15 minutes, no one picked up, so I left a voice mail, and 6 hours later, it's not been returned.
 
I had a scope like Beemans SS1 on my FWB 127 for a couple of decades. When my FWB seals/piston gave up the ghost I moved it to a .22rf and continued to march.

I bought the scope in Germany and it is not a Beeman import. It is a small and rather dark image thing but I found it better for tree rats than my plastics.....I would call them Irons but......

There are scopes that work just fine for a long time on springers, they just have to be made for it.

-kBob
 
d2wing said:
The absolute worst are GAMO. Not just the scope the whole gun. As far as accurate the Daisy target rifles are very and I have a QB78 by Industry that is very accurate and easy to shoot, it uses 2 CO2 cartridges. All in the 100-150 range. These guns are not real powerful. And they have almost no recoil and do well with cheap scopes or target sights. For spring/air guns you need a scope rated for them, I have had good luck with Winchester air rifle scopes. You need a recoil stop on the bases. You might want to check with an air rifle specialty site like Pyramid. I like to buy air rifles from Mike at. Flying Dragon Air guns. He stocks better quality Chinese guns and others. He tests each gun and will do custom tunes and is cheap. Yeah it is frustrating. I use them for plinking and small pests. You pretty much have to go $$ PCP for high power or long range. I don't like the way you have to shoot spring guns.
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One of the few things that gets my hackles up are statements like X are the worst. I had a chevy that puked its transmission at under 20k miles....does that mean that General Motors makes the worst cars....no.

Problem with Gamo is where they are sold.....Walmart, and who they are sold to. People with very little experience shooting high powered spring air rifles. A high powered or "magnum" air rifle is THE HARDEST THING TO SHOOT. Thats it....nothing is more difficult to shoot well time after time then a magnum springer.

Now you stick these very hard to shoot guns at walmart for a price that is just amazing for what they do and naturally you get inexperienced people that say they are garbage. Toss in there that SOME pellet guns can be very pellet specific...love some hate others....it is going to be a bad outcome.

I do not want to single out the OP. Or the guy I quoted here. I have a case full of air guns, some that I had given to me that would not shoot for anything....could not keep pellets on paper at 25.....After learning the gun and its specifics every tomato stake I was given is a great shooter.

I wanted to include a pic of one of the cabinets that I have....everything in here is an air gun....everything from a sub $60 Walmart hunk of junk to a 50+ year old anschutz....and everything in the middle.

In this day and age of computer controlled manufacturing are really bad guns going to get out there....sure it happens but not very often. And another thing to remember is that most Gamo's are still made in Spain, not China....That really means zip to me, but it seems to matter to some people.

In the end like I said there is a great learning curve to shooting a high powered springer well....does not matter whos name is on the side of it.

Now on the the photo....not everything I have is in this photo, some stuff is in other gun cases and safes.

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joneb, Hawke is fine. I have one on my Weihrauch HW97K. Hits coins at 25 meters. Adjustable parallax is a must for air rifle.
 
thirty-ought-six said:
Sure, really nice air rifles might exist if you want to spend over $300, then you might as well buy the real thing.
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Bad line of logic. An air rifle is not intended to be a cheaper substitute for a firearm. That's like saying that for the price of a good bow and some good arrows, you might as well just buy a gun that does the job better.


Air guns have their own uses. Many places you can shoot them but not powder burners, many of them are quieter, generally you can shoot them for much less money than a powder burner, and many people simply enjoy them. But don't think of it as just a cheap firearm.

I've reached the same conclusion..

The scopes SUCK.
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Yup. What do you expect? If you plan on actually shooting the thing instead of leaving it in your closet, get a decent scope for it.
chicharrones said:
CO2 air rifles are so much easier to shoot well than break barrel springer guns. I only have one CO2 rifle and love shooting it. Yep, it's slower than many break barrel guns, but I don't care. :D

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Is that a maglite stuck down a hole in the stock?
 
If you want to buy a top shelf air rifle just get an Air Arms TX200 or it brother the Pro Sport.

They are "tack drivers" but will set you back between $600 and $700.

They eliminate the need for any other cheap or even moderately priced air gun. I have seen them do better than PCP guns out to 60 yards.

It is better to have one of these than three of four of cheaper ones that will just aggravate you in your quest for accuracy and their recoil is minimal. You can balance a pellet on the vertical knob on the scope, shoot it, and the pellet will not move.
 
I have never seen a dovetail scope mount work on anything. If it does not have a weaver or picatinny rail I would not waste my time.

I have a Crosman Phantom with iron sights that has a lasted a lot of years and shot a lot of pellets. I used to have an indoor trap for the phantom until my wife threw it away. My friends would come over we would drink beer and shoot pellets until 3am. My wife stopped all of that.
 
Johnny_B_Goode said:
I have never seen a dovetail scope mount work on anything. If it does not have a weaver or picatinny rail I would not waste my time.

I have a Crosman Phantom with iron sights that has a lasted a lot of years and shot a lot of pellets. I used to have an indoor trap for the phantom until my wife threw it away. My friends would come over we would drink beer and shoot pellets until 3am. My wife stopped all of that.
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I'm sorry to hear about the divorce, man, that can be rough.
 
Well shucks....I think I'll just stick with my 1969 issure SHERIDAN BLUE STREAK with it's williams sights. After fourty six years of use it is indeed STILL perfect and a killin' SOB. And I can sit and pick the leaves off the tree one shot per leaf. I do have a problem though as I am on the last can from a whole case of original SHERIDAN 5MM projectiles and can find no others. HOPE there is a good substitute for those deadly accurate little pellets.
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I am on the last can from a whole case of original SHERIDAN 5MM projectiles and can find no others. HOPE there is a good substitute for those deadly accurate little pellets.
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Crosman sells the updated version of the Sheridan pellets. I think they actually shoot better than the originals.

Also, any .20 caliber pellet can be used in your Sheridan as they are identical in diameter to the 5mm Sheridan pellets.
 
MedWheller hit it right on the nose!
What you are doing is buying Asian crap and 4th world technology and expecting Upper European quality for cheap!
It dosn't work that way!
You have to Buy quality in an Airgun!
BTW, that Benjamin CO2 is a beauty!!! I always wanted a .22 version! The .177 caliber might be better for hunting as it penetrates deeper at around 30 yards. The 22 is a better all round rifle though because most of your airgunning will be under 30 yards, most likely 20 yards.The .22 shines there!
you need a breakbarrel 22 with European quality, 22 caliber shooting at over 700 fps. Mind you this rifle will kick a little, hit like a ton of bricks, and last forever! This WILL cost though!
Quality and preformance never come cheap!!!
Don't look for it with a Crosman or other Asian manufacturer!
please don't sour to airgunning! It is a very usefull segment of shooting.
ZVP
 
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I have never seen a dovetail scope mount work on anything. If it does not have a weaver or picatinny rail I would not waste my time.
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Really? I have an Anschutz target rifle and the dovetail mount has been working great on it for 20 years the diopter sights and the leupold scope mount just fine and stay put too...

A spring air rifle will need a scope stop at the rear mount, that is what my Gamo has and the dovetail groove and mount works fine.
 
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