How long can this go? I don't think anyones mind is going to change!
I've got a couple of people who don't understand anything at all about shooting, tactics, ballistics, fighting, wounding mechanisms, or the fundamentals of basic debate, arguing with a bunch of people who do. Why don't you tell me how long you think it can go on?
I am sure that next there will be people on this board advocating the use of claymore mines for home defense.
Once again, that's a Strawman argument. Make up something absurd, and then assign it to your opponent. Pathetic.
For Pete's sake unless you have people that seriously want to kill you and have outstanding training your threats can be neutralized with a handgun.
Dude, you don't seem to realize. When you're legally justified in shooting someone in self defense, that's BECAUSE THEY SERIOUSLY WANT TO KILL YOU. That's why it is called self defense. There are a bunch of people on this thread who've dealt with this.
Outstanding training? Like the rapist in Florida who took 4 pistol rounds from a woman in her own home, and he managed to beat her for TWENTY MINUTES before expiring from blood loss. Her face was so horribly disfigured that the responding officers and paramedics openly wept. (see
Best Defense - Robert Waters) Guess how much training the rapist had? Zero. Evil can make up for a lot of skill.
I once stuck a gun in a man's face and made him surrender, because he was going to kill another man over an argument about a TREE! I didn't imagine this. It wasn't paranoia. It happened in a small town in the desert. But I stopped an assault in progress against an innocent man, over the placing of a shade tree! So yes, francis, there are people who will kill you and hurt you for the hell of it, or because the voices in their head told them to, or because it makes them happy. The logical ones just want to hurt you to take your stuff or have their way with you.
And believe me. When time dialates down to just you and the crazy guy with the gun, and the adrenalin is pounding through you, and suddenly you're shaking, and your bowels clinch up, and your body forgets to breath, and you can't hear right, and the gun is coming up toward you, at that crystal clear moment frozen forever in time, you don't care if it is a fair fight, or that you have more gun than the other guy, or that your gun is overkill, you just want it to stop RIGHT NOW!
And guess what? Handguns suck at that moment in time. Those of us who've been in that frozen moment would have loved to have a gun that was more powerful, easier to hit with, held more ammo, and was an overall superior package in every way at stopping the guy who had decided to kill you.
I know that your handgun is really awesome in counterstrike, but take the word of people that shoot people for a living, if you've got a choice, take the long gun!
I actually was thinking about this last night when my wife got up and woke me up in the middle of the night.
Think harder, 'cause you're still wrong.
My sleepy ass with my arms half asleep probably wouldn't be able to get to an AR unless it was racked right next to my bed. I can however open the nightstand and grab the ole 1911er. If I used a glock I wouldn't even have to worry about an external safety.
So let me get this right... Because you're poorly trained and poorly prepared, then by extension we also must be just as pathetic? Your sleepy arms are unable to operate the easiest weapon to get hits with, but you would totally be able to use the most difficult of all weapons to use under stress?
Have you actually shot a gun under stress, or do you just assume that somehow your body is going to magically rise to the occasion? Got news for you man, you never rise to the occassion, you default to your lowest level of training.
Because you're not creative enough to store your rifle in a ready, but safe manner, then we should assume that the rest of us are too dumb to have thought this through?
I think when you 5.56 and .223 cowboys really need your guns you are going to be sad to find out that the intruder is on you before you can.
Ironic, read sm's post above. You've made up your gunfight, and you're playing it out in your head. By the way, pay attention to what sm says, because he's seen more violence in action than 99.9% of the people that post here.
Once again, just because you can't figure out how to defend yourself doesn't mean the rest of us are stupid. And I'm pretty sure most of us delusional, paranoid, black-souled, murderous devils, are clever enough to have a secondary weapon system available too.
So now we've come full circle to the Brady Center style argument, so let me sum this up for you guys.
-Your guns are too powerful
-Your guns scare me
-I don't know how to use your guns
-If I had such a powerful weapon, I would be unsafe with it
-If I had such a powerful weapon, I would use it irresponsibly
-Therefore scary guns make me uncomfortable
-Therefore they are bad
-(and in the case of Wolf, and following this screed to its inevitable conclusion) my feelings mean that your guns should be regulated
You are making the same analogies as the Brady Bunch. If somebody is more prepared than you. Then they're paranoid. If they are better trained than you, then they're "looking for trouble" or "praying for confrontation". Because we're prepared to use overwhelming violence to defend our loved ones, then we have a "sickness of the soul".
Ironically, I've heard every single one of those before. But they came from people and politicians looking to ban guns...
Ironic.