I find man's attempts to "modernize" the 1911 unattractive and mostly useless

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DDDWho has this as his signature line. I agree.

There are two things I feel have benefited from 'innovation'. The original sights were pretty much 'on', but tiny and hard to find in a hurry. So I prefer sights that are wider, a bit taller and more 'pronounced'. As I have a single, invariable load for defense - which shoots exactly as 'hardball' - I do not need adjustable sights. A brass rod and small hammer - I have a tiny ball peen hammer - adjust the windage by moving the rear sight to port or starboard as needed; a file adjusts elevation. It is a handgun and by regulating the sights to zero at 50 yards, I am 'on' at all ranges up to that distance.
There are times I have to aim at the bottom of the head for a precise head shot. Doesn't come up in reality very often.

Military standards for 'rack grade' M1911/1911A1 pistols had the trigger pull not less than six and not more than 12 pounds. (In my experience, most were on the lower end of the range.) 'Creep' was not addressed at all, but was noticeable in many cases. So I am thankful for the ability to set a trigger at three to four pounds, no creep and the hammer does not fall to half cock.

Better finishes in terms of durability or function do not bother me.

Replacement grips as a reflection of personality or for 'fashion statement' do not bother me; other than I find a few either too gaudy or far too vulgar, but I suppose that's taste. For a working pistol - which is how I see it - exaggerated thumb rests, hand placement flares and finger grooves are simply not needed.

Somewhat extended "beavertail' grip safeties to prevent hammer bite I approve, but the device must not affect holstering and concentrate on protected the web of the hand. A pad or bump to insure the grip safety is fully depressed is allowed, but emphasis on function rather than show.

Some alterations, like magazine well funnels are not needed at all. Those are best left to the game world. Extended thumb safeties and magazine releases are needed for those who's hands call for such.

John Browning's design is fairly simple. It need not be made helplessly complex just because one can.

With all that said, what opinions, pro or con, are lurking in the hearts of men (or women)?
 
What fun would a forum be it be if we all agreed? :p I am not a fan of the 1911, IMHO it is nearly as obsolete as the revolver. Being a gun-gamer I have seen many MANY variation on the original 1911 and most of them have been an improvement. IMHO the only thing on a 1911 that makes it special is the trigger, beyond that there are lots of areas to improve it depending on your purpose.

I own two 1911 based handguns, one is, my one and only safe queen. The other is fairly far from the original configuration and is my USPSA Limited gun.
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Remington R1 Limted, in 40S&W with 20+1 capacity. :D

Don't take me to serious I still carry a Model 10 more often than any other handgun I own.
 
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My 1911's are series 70 and one is strictly mil-spec. That being said, I see no problem in the market delivering what the buyers want, and if that's "enhanced" 1911's what of it? Insofar as buyer's needs and wants are being supplied I don't see where that can be judged as "useless". Each has the freedom to make his own decision whether to be part of it or not.
 
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Thanks Archie for the recognition of my signature line. I bought this 1918 Colt 1911 from an old woman friend some years ago. She said her husband brought it back from WWll, no doubt a reissue. I gave more for it than any other gun I own. To my eye it is art, perfect in form and function. IMG-0442-zpskot1rvdm.jpg
 
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I'm all for modernizing the 1911. However, all changes are not functional improvements.

I often argue the pistol was designed with the things you need to reach with your right hand, in a shooting grip, like the trigger and the thumb safety are within your reach. Conversely, the things you shouldn't be able to reach, to avoid fouling the gun, like the mag release and the slide stop/slide release, are purposely put out of the reach of your right hand.

Extended slide stops, and extended mag releases are generally not your friend.
 
I love my 1911's and am in favor of taking the modernization a step further. I own an EDC X9 and X9S which are not true 1911's, but a decendant of them for lack of a better term. The X9 is one of my favorite guns to shoot and is one of my nightstand guns and I regularly carry the X9S. Given that John Browning was a visionary I'm wondering if he would have stopped with the 1911 or would have continued to modernize it. My guess, and it's just that obviously is the later.
 
I was all set to disagree with you based on the title.

But I mostly agree. I like a medium/long trigger, beavertail and extended safety lever for simply practical reasons, prefer to avoid cuts and chutes and embellishments.

It's why I adore my VBob so much (yes the bobbed grip is another modernization but it makes concealment significantly easier so it's practical for a gun I carried for a number of years), it has all the things I like with little flash, even the minimal billboard on the slide is greatly appreciated.
 
I'm a fan of Kimber 1911's... I have 2... but I see some of their stuff they are offering and just have to wonder who thought that crap up??? I've always been a pretty simple guy, I don't need a BBQ gun, and find the notion, quite frankly, absurd.

I find, much like the HiPower magazine disconnect, the Series 80 lockwork/Swartz Safety to be unnecessary.

I don't like forward slide serrations, bobtails, or even the arched mainspring housing.

The beavertail makes sense, as do different sights that fit the role the pistol needs to fill. I'm not a big custom grips guy... I don't even really care for the 2-tone grips that came with my Kimber ProEclipse II, but they are there, and I'm also a cheapskate. I do not like the stepped grip safety... for some reason the hump fits right in the hollow of my hand and doesn't fully actuate... it's pretty aggravating.
 
Jeff Cooper said it: Sights you can see, a trigger you can control, and removal of sharp edges that make handling unpleasant.
My preferences are a fibre optic front sight, a 4 lb trigger pull, and a beavertail grip safety.

After that, you are into competition modifications and pure styling frou frou. I have been roundly criticized by gunsmiths and Expert Geniuses on my failure to express unconditional admiration for things like French fried borders and roughening of non-grasping surfaces.

One thing you cannot say about a 1911 is that it is unreliable.

I can, sort of. People who think they are smarter than John Browning, Colt's Pt. F.A. Mfg. Co., and the US Army have turned out some things they call 1911s that cannot be counted on.
 
I have a fair number of 1911s, and the "keepers" must all have a decent trigger and functional sights...anything beyond that is mostly unnecessary window-dressing.

Now having said that, though, I confess to occasionally carrying a PURPLE Colt Defender just to keep my buds stirred up.... :)

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You got to wonder what JM Browning would think of this evolution of his design.

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Personally I think he would like it. I would have been interesting to see what he would have designed if he had had access to CNC machining centers, injection molded parts, MIM and some of the polymers and super alloys we have access to now.
 
If it weren't for the ability to have a great trigger, I probably wouldn't have much interest in 1911's.

If other semi-auto designs could replicate the feel of a 1911 trigger, I would probably own something besides 1911's.
 
If it didn't cost $300, I would probably have checkered my front-strap by now (ten years of ownership). But I have lived with a smooth front strap for so long I wonder how much I'd like the change. Opinions?
 
If it didn't cost $300, I would probably have checkered my front-strap by now (ten years of ownership). But I have lived with a smooth front strap for so long I wonder how much I'd like the change. Opinions?
Self-adhesive Grip tap. Put a strip of grip tap up the front strap. If you like the extra control that it gives you you can, cheap out and leave it, or send it off for checkering. If you don't like it you peal it off and a little Goo-Gone and your back to normal.
 
If it didn't cost $300, I would probably have checkered my front-strap by now (ten years of ownership). But I have lived with a smooth front strap for so long I wonder how much I'd like the change. Opinions?

Try one of the Wilson Combat "checkered" front strap panels. Easy on---easy off.
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I think I paid $10 for mine. They had black too, but it was something ridiculous... like $12.
 
Have to be careful with those, pry on it too hard and the tabs break off.
Also different brands of 1911 knockoffs have different front strap contours.
I use Pachmayr wraparounds and it is a chore stretching them to fit a Caspian frame.
I have used a rubbery stair tread material in lieu of the usual gritty stuff but the independent lumber yard here that sold it has closed and the chain stores don't have the type.
 
Self-adhesive Grip tap. Put a strip of grip tap up the front strap. If you like the extra control that it gives you you can, cheap out and leave it, or send it off for checkering. If you don't like it you peal it off and a little Goo-Gone and your back to normal.

I got some skate board tape, cut a strip to fit, a bit under the grip panels (sanded that part down) and it's been holding fine for 5 years. Though I don't shoot that guns ton these days, if have others (with checkering) that I shoot more.
 
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I have 26 of all types of variety. It really is a matter of taste and preference. Bobtails, Commanders, Government Models, WWI issue, tactical, etc.

That being said I own very few non-1911 semi-autos.

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