I got these grips off of eBay. Seller said I am scamming him.

[ericuda]

I'd almost bet you would win the dispute. Costs nothing to do it. Make the same case you did here.

 

[Brubz]

It's a myth that eBay and PayPal always side with the buyer.a few years back when I was living in an apartment building I ordered an item and I never got it but the Post Office tracking showed that it was delivered.well obviously they delivered to the wrong apartment and eBay and PayPal sided with the seller because the tracking said delivered even after I explained to them that it was not delivered to me.

 

[castile]

I sanded and put on bull dog adhesion for plastic, then painted them ivory. I will let them dry for a good couple of weeks before attempting to use them.

 

[castile]

Update, I left neg. feed back. All I said was the grips were different colors and the seller said that I was trying to scam him. eBay removed my neg. feed back. He now still has 100 percent. I will make sure my Credit card dispute goes through. This just cheeses me off. eBay is such a dishonest PO garbage.

 

[epags]

Well this post will probably p....s off some folks. But there is always another side of the story. (No, no, I am not the seller in this story)
If I read the previous posts correctly, there was more than one photo on the ad and one clearly showed a yellowed panel. On eBay a buyer can always ask the seller questions before buying. As in any case when buying from eBay, Etsy or other online auctions a buyer needs to be aware of less than full disclosure due to seller ignorance or deception.
OK, in this case, the sale was completed and the product was not acceptable to the buyer. The seller said to send them back for a refund. That would have been the correct course of action. No, the seller should not have accused the buyer of scamming (unprofessional). However, the buyer should remember 'sticks and stones......'. Should have given a 'neutral' rating.
IMO, the CC claim may be difficult since the buyer kept the items despite being offered a refund and has subsequently modified them.
FWIW, I am just a guy using eBay to clean out stuff from two deceased parents, an ex-spouse and myself (as I age) and have a 100% satisfaction rating because if a buyer said something was 'wrong' with the item, I had them send it back and I refunded their money without comment.
IMO, life is too short to get an ulcer over a $20 -$30 transaction.

 

[castile]

Seems suspicious your comment epags. I put in for a return and not not gotten a shipping label as of yet. I do not expect one but if it does go though I will post them back. The seller was trying to be fraudulent. The one photo shows the grips and the discoloration but its the last picture and also was done in such a way that it looks like shadowing. If the seller was in fact not trying to be fraudulent then it should have been clearly in the description that the grips are sun damaged. There was not one word other than they are new never used. Seller could have offered some money back for the damage and I would have been happy with that. But its not just unprofessional saying that a buyer is scamming them, that is fraudulent. I don't know if you are or are not the seller but you seem to be strangely apologizing for him if you are in fact not him. I will let the CC company work for me. The CC company will get my refund one way or another, I can send them back if the seller sends a shipping label or not if they don't accept the return. You seem to know a bit more about the sale than I posted so I am very suspicious.

 

[trackskippy]

The couple of times I sent things back, I never got a shipping label. Some will refund you the shipping, some wont. You really have to read the small print there too.

I agree with epags, I kind of doubt the CC will do much as you did receive them, and have modified them. But, heres hoping for ya.

It's a myth that eBay and PayPal always side with the buyer.a few years back when I was living in an apartment building I ordered an item and I never got it but the Post Office tracking showed that it was delivered.well obviously they delivered to the wrong apartment and eBay and PayPal sided with the seller because the tracking said delivered even after I explained to them that it was not delivered to me.

If the post office "shows" it was delivered, good luck getting anywhere. To eBay and the postal service, if it shows delivered, it was delivered and that ends the deal.

I had a hell of a time with one knife I sold on there. First off, I said right at the top of the listing that I didnt ship outside of the US, and the guy that won it was from Austrailia. I told him no, and he begged me and siad he'd pay the added shipping, yada, yada, yada, and dumb **** me, said OK as long as it was OK with their customs, which on their site, it was. The knife went for $100, the shipping was $70.

I tracked it and it showed "delivered". He filed with eBay and PayPal saying he never got it. Turned out, customer called him to come in and sign for it and he was in a panic and wouldn't. PayPal locked my account for that amount and refunded his money.

I called their customs and got ahold of the people who had it, and at first was told it was never there, and then when I asked for the supervisor he said hold on, and came back and said, oh, no, its there, but its a prohibited item (not according to their website), and they wont deliver it to him, he has to come sign for it, and they must have threatened him, or alluded to that, because he wont. I did talk to the supervisor and got the run around from him too.Dont know what was going on there, but I have a feeling one of those boys at customs was getting the knife.

Call USPS and want to start the insurance claim, and they say as far as they are concerned, it was delivered, because it was in customs, and he was notified to come get it.

The other problem there is, even if the insurance claim was filed, you have to wait for a period of time first before they will do anything, and it would take over a month or more for it to go through, and you still might not get it. PayPAy at best, "might" give you 30 days. So no matter what, eBay and PayPal were giving him his money back.

So I was out the money, the knife, and the extra shipping. Still chaps my ass.


Ive had a number of people win from out of the states, and after that one, refused to do it, and offered it to the next guy for what he bid. Dealing with the public for stuff like this is a MAJOR PITA. I really have to wonder sometimes if a lot of the people on there arent either illiterate, retarded, or drunk, and maybe a combination of all three. I usually made out well on there, but I hated dealing with a lot of the people.

As to the drunk thing. Once I got to thinking about it, I started setting my auctions up to end on a Sat. or Sun. at around suppertime. I figured people were off, and probably enjoying having a few in the afternoon, and would be more prone to bid things up after a few. Dont know if it was really the case, but I did see a pretty decent bump after I started doing that, and the bidding wars did seem to increase.

The other thing I never understood there was, people will pay more for something than it cost new, and for things readily available, online elsewhere right then. You dont think it was the booze at work, do you.

 

[Charlie Martinez]

I once bought a bow from an ebay seller that claimed to be a sweet little old retired lady in tennis shoes. The bow arrived with a chunk of fiberglass backing broken off. The damage was obvious as day but she became a wildcat when I asked for a refund telling me I broke the bow and was now trying to cheat her. I ended up never getting my money back. It is the only bad experience Ive had with Ebay but since then I never buy anything expensive from Ebay anymore.

 

[kwb377]

So you're keeping the grips, refused the refund offered by the seller, and still looking to get a refund through your CC. So...you'll have the grips and the money.

But the seller is the scammer?

 

[thirty-eight]

On eBay a buyer can always ask the seller questions before buying.

I've done this. Works well.

 

[castile]

KWB read the thread before inserting foot in mouth. I sent the grips back.

 

[castile]

Thirty eight, how do you ask questions about things you have no idea about. You would have to ask 10k questions. Is it the same color though out, any chips, tears, broken parts, missing part, actual item, water damage, weather damage, run over by a truck, dog chewed on it, cat scratches, refurbished, original, sun damage, abused, stolen, heat damage, actual item in picture, warping, scratches, burns, salt damage, acid damage, bleach damage, dropped, missing paint, ground dug, and the list could go on forever.

 

[trackskippy]

You ask the questions you have, if you have them. In my experience, the high volume sellers rarely answered back though.

I used to get quite a few on the selling side. Most of them could have been answered if they just looked at the pics and/or read the description, etc.

Ive had a couple of people ask for better, more detailed pics too, and I took them. I usually took a lot of pics anway, as that stopped a lot of foolishness. I was always leeery of those that only posted one or two pics, unless it was something obvious, and more often than not, just moved on.

Other than the money made, I much preferred to be a buyer than a seller on there.

 

[epags]

Seems suspicious your comment epags. I put in for a return and not not gotten a shipping label as of yet. I do not expect one but if it does go though I will post them back. The seller was trying to be fraudulent. The one photo shows the grips and the discoloration but its the last picture and also was done in such a way that it looks like shadowing. If the seller was in fact not trying to be fraudulent then it should have been clearly in the description that the grips are sun damaged. There was not one word other than they are new never used. Seller could have offered some money back for the damage and I would have been happy with that. But its not just unprofessional saying that a buyer is scamming them, that is fraudulent. I don't know if you are or are not the seller but you seem to be strangely apologizing for him if you are in fact not him. I will let the CC company work for me. The CC company will get my refund one way or another, I can send them back if the seller sends a shipping label or not if they don't accept the return. You seem to know a bit more about the sale than I posted so I am very suspicious.

Castile: First, I am a pistol guy, not big on revolvers so have no knowledge of who you were dealing with (It is not hard to go to eBay, type in fake ivory revolver grips and come up with the going price)

Secondly, your story keeps changing.....you told KWB you sent them back but earlier you said you sanded them and painted them.
Is this thread for real?

At this point I am out of here.

 

[Brubz]

Castile: First, I am a pistol guy, not big on revolvers so have no knowledge of who you were dealing with (It is not hard to go to eBay, type in fake ivory revolver grips and come up with the going price)

Secondly, your story keeps changing.....you told KWB you sent them back but earlier you said you sanded them and painted them.
Is this thread for real?

At this point I am out of here.

Where the heck are the moderators I've seen threads on this forum shut down for far less than what is going on in this thread. hello!!!?

 

[castile]

So epegs let me give you a time line so you know what you are talking about. I bought the grips, I got the grips, The grips are as pictured in this post, they did not match and seller hid the fact they did not match. I contacted the seller the day I got them and was told that the grips did not match, seller accused me of buying his wonderful grips and sending him pictures of old grips he said I had. BTW My High Standard has walnut grips that i put HS gold medallions on. I though a set of ivory grips with the medallion which I would have put on after I bought the grips would make the gun look like the one my dad had as a child.
I did not return them because he was accusing me of fraud when he is the fraudulent seller. He said also he has a no return policy but the accusing me of scamming him was way more important than his no return policy, so I did not return them. After I opened a case with eBay and my Credit Card company he turned about face and said for me to return them. In between that time I felt I was just going to keep them. So I started to clean, sand and after I could not fix them that way I used high quality paint and expensive plastic to paint adhesive and they look great. So I should charge him for my work I did to fix his crappy grips. I know he will most likely say I altered them, but he started off with saying I was scamming him, he did not take returns bla bla bla. So I figured I would try to fix them. Then when I posted here, many said to just return them, I got an email from the seller through eBay saying just send them back and get a refund. I have suspicion epegs is or knows the seller. That is why the attacks. We will see, it will come out as this unfolds more.

 

[castile]

BTW, I have a small shop and refurbish antiques, fans, clocks. pocket watches, and other things. I either do this for customers, or sell them at my shop when finished. I also sell on the web. I just had a guy buy a 1930s, Gillette gold plated razor. I missed a small crack that really is no visible unless you are going over it with a loop, But when he got it I said no problem send it back and I will refund you. I did not tell him he was scamming me, and I would never send out such garbage. In this case you can tell by the pictures that the photos were taken in such a way as to hide the color, not one word in the description, The only picture that shows some of the color difference was taken so the dark grip was in a heavy shadow. Who would suspect that the shadow was to cover up the fact it was a different color. This is a pure scammer. There is no other way to look at it. To believe that its not, you have to say he just missed the color difference, or forgot to put it in the description, and just happened to take photos that hid the difference. Then pointing the finger at the buyer for the issue as a scammer, if that does not say it all I have no idea what it would take to convince someone this is a scam he got called on. So many people just walk away toss it in the garbage or live with the problem. This is what scammers plan on.

 

[epags]

So epegs let me give you a time line so you know what you are talking about. I bought the grips, I got the grips, The grips are as pictured in this post, they did not match and seller hid the fact they did not match. I contacted the seller the day I got them and was told that the grips did not match, seller accused me of buying his wonderful grips and sending him pictures of old grips he said I had. BTW My High Standard has walnut grips that i put HS gold medallions on. I though a set of ivory grips with the medallion which I would have put on after I bought the grips would make the gun look like the one my dad had as a child.
I did not return them because he was accusing me of fraud when he is the fraudulent seller. He said also he has a no return policy but the accusing me of scamming him was way more important than his no return policy, so I did not return them. After I opened a case with eBay and my Credit Card company he turned about face and said for me to return them. In between that time I felt I was just going to keep them. So I started to clean, sand and after I could not fix them that way I used high quality paint and expensive plastic to paint adhesive and they look great. So I should charge him for my work I did to fix his crappy grips. I know he will most likely say I altered them, but he started off with saying I was scamming him, he did not take returns bla bla bla. So I figured I would try to fix them. Then when I posted here, many said to just return them, I got an email from the seller through eBay saying just send them back and get a refund. I have suspicion epegs is or knows the seller. That is why the attacks. We will see, it will come out as this unfolds more.

Thanks for the timeline. It clarifies the apparent inconsistancies in earlier posts.
Reference my post #30. Again. I am not familiar with the selller. I was describing the back and forths that happen when selling and buy on eBay since I have been using eBay for over 20 years.

 

[Electrod47]

Who wants a gun with a spit personality????....I'd be mad too. PS White and Ivory are my fav grips,,,but, not mixed.

 

[castile]

47, I would have been fine if the seller would have been decent about the situation. But to accuse me out of the gate of being a scammer is what really set me off. The only type of person who would do this is a scammer. Its not unprofessional. that would be packaging an item in a way that is not going to stand up to shipping. Not contacting someone in a reasonable time to a question or issue. Accusing someone of what you are doing is more of a Left wing Politician thing.

 

[castile]

Seller gave a full refund. No questions asked. I guess squeaky wheel. And I fixed his grips. I would think a thank you is in order. LOL

 

[trackskippy]

Youre lucky they took them back after you "fixed" them. The second you did, I dont believe he was really obligated anymore. But, you lucked out.

 

[castile]

Well either way its done. I will just keep the wood grips.

 

[1varmint]